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Postby Alvin.A on Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:09 am

I have simplified my regular espresso preparation routine, so no more weighing or fancy distribution and the sort. (though i do get technical occasionally to dial in factors, see nice extractions, or therapeutic reasons)
Simplified, i was getting good results with my BP but the occasional spray led me to go back to my spouted PF. Although not common, those sprays always seem to happen when Im wearing white. I miss the convenience of the bottomless though.
Im not saying my technique is perfect but could a better grinder lessen the chances of those sprays or should my Vario be able to perform well without the need of additional steps like the WDT?

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Postby brokemusician77 on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:38 am

In my opinion, you should be able to do without. My technique has become really simple since buying my Vario. I dose right into the PF with a yogurt container funnel. I give the PF a little shake to settle the grounds, tamp and go.

If you have channeling problems it's more likely something like stale beans, dosing too high/ too low, tamping too hard, or perhaps a faulty grinder.

The Vario isn't perfect, but you'd be hard pressed to find a better grinder without getting into a big commercial grinder.
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Postby shawndo on Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:11 am

brokemusician77 wrote:My technique has become really simple since buying my Vario. I dose right into the PF


I used to do this, and it worked well. A small spritz ever now and then and pretty good espresso. However, the quality of my espresso went up considerably when I added the WDT to the process. I also sampled a Compak K10 without WDT side by side with a Vario and the quality difference was also noticeable.

I didn't try it side-by-side but I am convinced an upgrade to a Compak K10-level grinder, without WDT is still going to be better than a BVario with WDT.

I also started weighing the beans before hand. I think this just helps consistency and is most useful when dialing in the grind or testing temperature/dose variations. If you go back to "normal" espresso mode, then the timer on the BVario is more than good enough.
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Postby another_jim on Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:22 pm

If you don't weigh your doses, or have some other way of assuring consistent dosing; the flow and taste of your espresso won't be consistent. The perfect pairing of dose and grind is much more important than the perfect pairing of brew temperature and pressure.

If you do don't get these right as a matter of course, upgrading your grinder, changing your packing routine, switching between naked and spouted PFs, etc. will make no difference either. I spent months trying to work out a protocol for taste testing grinders. I got nowhere until I got ultra-picky on dose and grind settings, since the variation shot to shot of pucks prepped from the same grinder without weighing flooded out most of the differences between grinders.
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Postby Dogshot on Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:12 pm

Jim I'm sure you have answered this elsewhere, but do you operationalize 'dose and grind' by weighing the dose and measuring the seconds until blonding - for example, 14 grams and 27 seconds?

Thanks for the clarification,

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Postby Alvin.A on Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:52 pm

another_jim wrote:If you don't weigh your doses, or have some other way of assuring consistent dosing; the flow and taste of your espresso won't be consistent. The perfect pairing of dose and grind is much more important than the perfect pairing of brew temperature and pressure.

well what Ive been doing is after opening my fresh bag o' beans i weigh doses and dial in the grind, note the seconds it takes to grind then set it to the Vario's timer (which is accurate to the .0 of seconds).
after i have all that dialed in i fill the hopper then go to simple preparation mode. Pretty consistent i believe.
the reason i asked is i have a Mazzer Major on the way originally for the occasional heavy use, but considering replacing my Vario with it if I get significantly better shots.

Also i was thinking of all this because I have noticed some shops are using bottomless PF, obviously they don't go through the trouble of weighing and distributing yet they get clean shots consistently. It got me thinking it must be because they're using Roburs/Royals or pulling shots on their Synesso/Slayer with preinfusion aiding in even extraction.
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Postby another_jim on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:46 pm

Hi Alvin, that's a good approach, but with one gotcha that's been throwing you -- the fuller the hopper, the more the grinder will grind in the same time; so if set the time with an empty hopper, then use a full one, you may be dosing more than you intended.

Mark, I've posted the method for tuning dose & grind by taste many times, and they always get lost in long threads, so I'm going to put it in as locked FAQ. Dan can leave it, or let it sink, as he pleases.
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Postby Alvin.A on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:40 pm

Actually jim yeah i did realize filling would change the dosing. so what i did after filling was weigh again how much came out after the same grind time, turns out there was no change.
could be that the added weight of the beans is not significant, or i need a better scale. i point towards the latter.
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Postby Dogshot on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:42 pm

Thanks, Jim.

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Postby jonny on Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:10 am

I too am curious about shops using bottomless portafilters. They obviously don't spend nearly as much time as I do on puck prep, let alone weighing their doses, so what are the reasons for their perfect pours shot after shot? Is it really just the better equipment? Or are the baristas trained to eyeball the dose? I watched a barista dose a mound into a basket, nothing about it seemed precise, no leveling, just tamp and pull, and the shot poured great... I feel like I'm missing something here
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