Working with my new La Cimbali Max Hybrid - Page 5

[mgrayson]

Anyone know how fast the M7KR will grind 15 grams?

My MK7R does 20g in 6 seconds. The coffee in the nanohopper drops very quickly. As a side note, just how dangerous is it to run a big conical with the burrs almost exposed? Am I risking serious end-of-piano-playing injury?

Matt

[seattlesetters]

I got mine yesterday. Took all of about five minutes to dial it in with the Lighthouse Roasters Espresso Blend. There is absolutely no clumping with this grinder, and the doser puts coffee straight into the portafilter.

A very nice grinder, indeed!

[cafeIKE]

There is absolutely no clumping with this grinder.

As with all grinders, this can be somewhat coffee dependant.

...the doser puts coffee straight into the portafilter.

With enough vigor, the doser can be induced to socialism [left leaning].

A very nice grinder, indeed!

Just not a quiet one.

[seattlesetters]

With enough vigor, the doser can be induced to socialism [left leaning].

I may have to do a mod to get it to lean back to the right.

Just not a quiet one.

Not too bad, though. You shoulda heard that Ascaso the vendor had.....

[Cafesp]

Since I have been filling my Cimbali Max Hybrid coffee hopper over half full, timing the desired amount ground coffee ( in my head ); the left over coffee stuck in the chute mouth has been reduced significantly, compare to the amount left when I used to grind per shot.
I use CMH more often now.

Good grinder makes a good day

Cafesp

[rogier]

Just added a darkroom timer to my CMH,a Gralab 450 that I got on e-bay.It works great, no leftover grinds, almost no spill.Can recommend it to everybody!

[kahvedelisi]

I searched almost every single thread about cimbali max hybrid, found lots of motor/burr/case/doser pictures but not a single picture showing how CMH grinds. Probably it's hidden somewhere in these forums and I can't find it.. So please "if grinding pictures already exists" can someone lead me to those OR if possible post some pictures here? I'd like to compare Cimbali Max Hybrid grind to Cimbali Jr grind (at least visually).

Thanks

[zin1953]

I searched almost every single thread about cimbali max hybrid, found lots of motor/burr/case/doser pictures but not a single picture showing how CMH grinds.

Rather than copy and post the pictures here, just check out the pictures of the Max Hybrid's burr set at Chris' Coffee Service.

The Cimbali Junior grinder uses a flat burr set -- 64mm. The Cimbali Max Hybrid uses a conical burr in combination with a 64mm flat.

Cheers,
Jason

[Marshall]

I searched almost every single thread about cimbali max hybrid, found lots of motor/burr/case/doser pictures but not a single picture showing how CMH grinds. Probably it's hidden somewhere in these forums and I can't find it.. So please "if grinding pictures already exists" can someone lead me to those OR if possible post some pictures here? I'd like to compare Cimbali Max Hybrid grind to Cimbali Jr grind (at least visually).

Thanks

My wife the chemist is laughing hysterically at this.

[HB]

I'd like to compare Cimbali Max Hybrid grind to Cimbali Jr grind (at least visually).

Dave has both grinders and may be willing to indulge your curiosity. To follow up on the reaction of Marshall's wife, I'll pose her implicit question: What are you hoping to learn from such a photograph?

[cafeIKE]

Just added a darkroom timer to my CMH,a Gralab 450 that I got on e-bay.It works great, no leftover grinds, almost no spill.Can recommend it to everybody!

It's not a very accurate way to dose.

I have an LPL ET-500 0.1sec timer and while 8.5 sec usually gives a dose around 16g, there are the occasional 18g and much more frequent 12g outliers. If the dose looks light, I just hit FOCUS for a couple of seconds to top up.

A timer let's me grind and clean the PF at the same time, saving a few seconds, but it's no magic bullet.

To follow up on the reaction of Marshall's wife, I'll pose her implicit question: What are you hoping to learn from such a photograph?

Dan, it's intuitively obvious. If one has a reference grind image, sink shots can be avoided by simply tossing questionable grind into the bin without the bother of pulling the shot.

[kahvedelisi]

Rather than copy and post the pictures here, just check out the pictures of the Max Hybrid's burr set at Chris' Coffee Service.

The Cimbali Junior grinder uses a flat burr set -- 64mm. The Cimbali Max Hybrid uses a conical burr in combination with a 64mm flat.

Cheers,
Jason

Umm thanks zin1953 but guess you misunderstood, I'm not looking for burr set pictures, actually I know CMH uses a flat-conical combo and CJr uses flat, I have CJr already =)

My wife the chemist is laughing hysterically at this.

Hi Marshall,

To be honest, I can't think of anything better than a hysterical laughter, it's proof of positive "chemistry" between people (I'm more "physical" though..being a poor designer and such does that to you, but don't let this stop her please). Anyways I was saying laughter, yes, we don't get enough of those, which is kinda sad and depressing. Even if they come they always come with a price! That's why I'll PM my bank account to you now, we accept cash, visa, mastercard, paypal. Cash is appreciated though!

PS. Don't you also think women are pain in the wallet? best regards to you and your wife from kahvedelisi the designer

What are you hoping to learn from such a photograph?

"World peace, love and espresso on earth! And higher salaries for coffee pickers of course."

Other than those;

This post got me thinking, versalab burr set is very similar to turkish hand mill. When you grind with turkish mill on a paper you don't get much clumping (actually something else happens similar to clumping, marked with yellow, particles stick tightly together due to tight fitting iron burrs). I read several posts claiming CMH produces fluffier grind and much less clumping. the main reason for clumping (be it doserless or with doser) is chute and how burrs placed into machine. Coffee particles first pile up at chute then fall into doser (or into portafilter) resulting clumping. With Versalab the chute is also vertical so you're able to get real fluffy and minimum clumped grind. To minimize clumping when I grind with my CJr I'm pulling doser arm while machine working, that helps a lot.

Hope above part was clear. Now, why I want pictures.. CJr and CMH both have their burrs placed vertically but in the end coffee grounds pushed out from a chute which placed horizontal, that means technically there shouldn't be too much difference between these grinders. Yes, the centrifugal movement caused by CMH's conical burr's spinning (smilar to versalab) may have an effect. Probably ground coffee gaining velocity due to burrs' spinning and most of the grinds thrown out of the chute before they have chance to pile up there (phew! I have to insert here that I hate english! I hate writing and thinking in english! Mr. and Mrs. Marshall if you're laughing right now, think about the wallet! I warn you!) Since CMH is exclusive to USA market my chance of seeing one in person is close to zero, soooo I want to compare through pictures.

And to be honest I don't understand why it's considered an unusual request, can any of those versalab owners come out and say "No Abe's versalab pictures showing final grind didn't effect my decision on buying $1550 worth grinder for home"?? a picture sometimes more than words. Fluffy mluffy, no clumping, nein! any! Almost all of you bought one CMH in less than 5 months time since it's released first, and those who haven't one already dreaming of one. Well I understand you all live in USA and can get one easily, but there are those who live in istanbul too (thank god! no pun) I'm just curious that's it.

[kahvedelisi]

Dan, it's intuitively obvious. If one has a reference grind image, sink shots can be avoided by simply tossing questionable grind into the bin without the bother of pulling the shot.

Wow genius! I'll send every penny I get from Marshall to you

[Marshall]

Hi Marshall,

To be honest, I can't think of anything better than a hysterical laughter, it's proof of positive "chemistry" between people (I'm more "physical" though..being a poor designer and such does that to you, but don't let this stop her please). Anyways I was saying laughter, yes, we don't get enough of those, which is kinda sad and depressing. Even if they come they always come with a price! That's why I'll PM my bank account to you now, we accept cash, visa, mastercard, paypal. Cash is appreciated though!

PS. Don't you also think women are pain in the wallet? best regards to you and your wife from kahvedelisi the designer

Well, my wife keeps a tight lid on my wallet. As a chemist, she's a strong believer in measurement, but skeptical about what can be measured by looking at a low resolution picture on the Web.

Anyway, you have provoked me to finish the Orhan Pamuk novel that has been lying on my bedstand for a year. I have to understand you better!

[kahvedelisi]

Well, my wife keeps a tight lid on my wallet. As a chemist, she's a strong believer in measurement, but skeptical about what can be measured by looking at a low resolution picture on the Web.

Actually I was hoping for some makro, smilar to what Abe posted at versalab thread Besides --if there's any-- clumping is visual at both high&low resolution, speaking of low res. depends on who's looking at that low res. picture I guess

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For instance many people will see 2 beautiful legs when they look at this picture

But when I look at it I see a woman who was wearing very tight necked sport socks prior to her photo shooting

Anyway, you have provoked me to finish the Orhan Pamuk novel that has been lying on my bedstand for a year. I have to understand you better!.

Orhan and I never get along well. I'm Gabriel Garcia Marquez loving girl (and that's, "if" the author must be nobel owner....hmm thinking twice, lets make it "noble" not nobel )
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[zin1953]

Umm thanks zin1953 but guess you misunderstood, I'm not looking for burr set pictures, actually I know CMH uses a flat-conical combo and CJr uses flat, I have CJr

OK, my bad . . . you're right; I misunderstood your question.

The obvious problem is that the Max Hybrid (and the Junior) grinds into a doser, versus the Versalab which does not. That makes it rather difficult to get a picture of the grind pattern as the they come out of the grinder, as in that (admittedly beautiful) shot of the grinds leaving the Versalab. So . . . no pictures, but all I can tell you is that I have had ZERO problems with clumping and/or static.

(And . . . with no other "adjustments," the quality of my shots has improved significantly over what I was getting with my Mini Mazzer.)

Cheers,
Jason

[kahvedelisi]

The obvious problem is that the Max Hybrid (and the Junior) grinds into a doser, versus the Versalab which does not. That makes it rather difficult to get a picture of the grind pattern as they come out of the grinder, as in that (admittedly beautiful) shot of the grinds leaving the Versalab. So . . . no pictures, but all I can tell you is that I have had ZERO problems with clumping and/or static.

THANKS jason! Reading all those praises and trying to understand how it's possible to get no to min. clumping when you're using a dosered grinder only with a single conical burr change (besides even if it was doserless, chute still would be horizontal)

After everything I read, I was wondering if CMH is the next best step and if I should bother doing a mod myself with conical burr from Cimbali Max. I haven't used Mazzer mini, eventually I was trying to compare CMH with CJr in my minds eye. It's been a little more than 1,5 year and I'm not having any static with Cjr but there's clumping to some extend. So can we say CMH is just a notch better than CJr and maybe a mod to chute could improve the quality more?

Here's a picture from CJr ground directly on paper



And here's same picture with higher res.

[cafeIKE]

(And . . . with no other "adjustments," the quality of my shots has improved significantly over what I was getting with my Mini Mazzer.)

Ditto, except Macap MC4. [Also done a Mini comparison with the same conclusion]

There is a crispness and a clarity to the shot not present in an M4 / Mini.
Using a photo analogue, think 48bit TIF vs. compressed JPEG.

[cannonfodder]

Hmmm. I don't recall thinking there was any real difference between the visual appearance of the grinds from the Jr and Max. There is a very noticeable difference in taste which is why I own two Cimbali Max grinders (not the Jr hybrid sold by Chris but the full on Max, same burr set as the one Chris sells) and my Jr is set for drip/French press with an occasional second blend espresso grinder.

I will have to dial the Jr back in for espresso but I can grind a few ounces from each and dose them on some paper for you. I don't think it will be very revealing but I can do it for you

[kahvedelisi]

Hmmm. I don't recall thinking there was any real difference between the visual appearance of the grinds from the Jr and Max. There is a very noticeable difference in taste which is why I own two Cimabli Max grinders (not the Jr hybred sold by Chris but the full on Max, same burr set as the one Chris sells)

Dave, thank you for that info. Actually I was not curious about a taste comparison in the first place and thinking back I guess I understand now why my earlier posts raised some giggles, probably you guys thought I'm asking "which one gives better shots in terms of taste" Well that's not the case (I already explained in detail above so I'm not going back there)

...and my Jr is set for drip/French press with an occasional second blend espresso grinder. I will have to dial the Jr back in for espresso but I can grind a few ounces from each and dose them on some paper for you. I don't think it will be very revealing but I can do it for you

Aaand that means you'll have to turn CJr wormdrive at least 20 times, no I don't want you to do that, it's simply painful! I just wanted to see; compared to Cjr if there's much/any clumping in grinds out of CMH's doser. So far in HB forums I read several posts/reviews (ie. this or this or this ) which I was able to find at least one grinding picture for almost every grinder, so it never occured to me my "weird" request could cause problems. But at least this way I learnt earlier and similar picture posts made by other members also reveal nothing from now on I'll stop looking at those unrevealing fruitless pictures, instead I'll go to Himalayas and meditate, who knows maybe the vivid vibrations caused by my powerful "OOOOMMMs" will be the cure for static&clumping diseases that many users complain about