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Which coffees roast well together for espresso?

Discuss roast levels and profiles for espresso, equipment for roasting coffee.

Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by IMAWriter on Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:45 pm

First off, Jim, if this has been a thread somewhere else please remove.
Now that that's out of the way....
I briefly mentioned elsewhere on HB, for semi-sometimes confused home-roasters like me, it would be a wonderful thing to have access to a list of espresso roasted specific coffee's, such as Brazil(s), Harar, Sulawesi, Sumatra, Monsooned Malabar, Mysore Nuggets, Yemen, Guat(?), El Salvador, etc...I'm sure there a lots more...and that list could be broken down into which would be acceptable to roast together, thus saving us the hassle of 3 (or more) separate roasts.
Is there such a document currently?
Obviously, the "preferred" roast degree for each combo would be helpful...yes, i know, the word "preferred" is purely subjective, so...OK...leave that out.
Thanks...
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by another_jim on Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:28 pm

If you need separate roast levels, you have to do separate roasts; no ifs ands or buts. Otherwise it depends on the roaster. If you have a drum roaster, SC/TO, HG/DB, or an air roaster you can slow down to take 4 or more minutes to get to 300F, there's no problem roasting any beans together. The trick is just to mix them about a week or more ahead so that the moisture equalizes.

If you roast in a fast airroaster, roughly speaking, roast the greenish ones and the yellow brownish ones separately.

In general, even colors at the end of the roast are not meaningful -- you are looking for even colors entering and exiting the first crack to judge roast uniformity. If you still have greens or yellow, as opposed to beige-brown ones entering, or anything lighter than middle brown ones exiting, you are going to have raw flavors in your final product.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by IMAWriter on Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:46 pm

another_jim wrote:If you need separate roast levels, you have to do separate roasts; no ifs ands or buts. Otherwise it depends on the roaster. If you have a drum roaster, SC/TO, HG/DB, or an air roaster you can slow down to take 4 or more minutes to get to 300F, there's no problem roasting any beans together. The trick is just to mix them about a week or more ahead so that the moisture equalizes.

If you roast in a fast airroaster, roughly speaking, roast the greenish ones and the yellow brownish ones separately.

In general, even colors at the end of the roast are not meaningful -- you are looking for even colors entering and exiting the first crack to judge roast uniformity. If you still have greens or yellow, as opposed to beige-brown ones entering, or anything lighter than middle brown ones exiting, you are going to have raw flavors in your final product.

Makes sense...i do as you suggest...I always mix my pre-roast 4-5 days ahead....
I wasn't aware that by an ultra slow ramp up as you suggest, I could possibly get decent composite roasters...already roast 'pre-blended espresso blends, such as Metropolis Redline, and SM's Monkey Blend and Donkey blend...the Redline will have slightly variable roast colors, which I figure is as it should be...as I like my espresso roasted slightly darker (30 seconds into 2nd crack..no oil, or just a few drops), it all seems to work pretty good...still, if anyone has 2 bean roast combo suggestions I'd love them...because of the volume requirements of the CO/UFO combo, 3 oz roasts ala poppers and such are not only impractical, but also downright horrible...thus combining is great, say 14oz total per load...otherwise 3-4 separate varietal roasts would yield way more finished roast (nearly 2 lbs after moisture loss) than I can get through before staling.
In some ways, Popper and other some volume roasters such as HotTop, Gene cafe are almost better suited to small volume espresso blending, if you don't mind doing 3-4 separate roasts. True "artisan" roasting, to be sure.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by cafeIKE on Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:10 am

another_jim wrote:The trick is just to mix them about a week or more ahead so that the moisture equalizes.


Is there any scientific evidence for this statement for the home roaster selecting beans from his stash? It makes some sense for a commercial roaster who receives a variety of beans from all over the world.

I store my green in a bottom level cabinet in burlap or cotton bags all in close proximity. Presumably, their moisture content will be dictated by the environment within a short period.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by another_jim on Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:33 am

cafeIKE wrote:Is there any scientific evidence for this statement for the home roaster selecting beans from his stash? It makes some sense for a commercial roaster who receives a variety of beans from all over the world.


Just anecdotal from me; I've never done blind tests. It's largely been a non-issue for me since I PIDed the roaster.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by OkcEspresso on Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:25 pm

IMAWriter wrote:if anyone has 2 bean roast combo suggestions I'd love them...


How about the timeless classic Mokha Java? Finda a good African and a good Indonesian. Yemen Mokha and a thick, oily Java estate work really well. I have best results roasting the Yemen to an FC+ and letting rest longer than usual (at least 5 days). The Java usually somewhere around a FC. For espresso I like a 60/40 Java to Yemen.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by Alchemist on Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:24 pm

My hands down favorite pre-blend espresso is equal parts

Sidamo DP
Harrar DP
Ghimbi DP

I drum roast. The approximatel benchmarks are 10-11 minutes to first, 3-4 minutes to 2 nd, EOR right at 2nd before it goes rolling.
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Link to "Which coffees roast well together for espresso?"by LeoZ on Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:30 pm

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