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What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?

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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by HB on Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:58 am

I woke up with a nasty sore throat yesterday, so I skipped my usual espresso / cappuccino combo. By noon I felt the twinge of a headache coming on, which I presume was brought on by the lack of caffeine coursing through my system. Recently my espresso consumption is about double normal (3-5 doubles per day instead of 2-3). I've only experienced a minor tingling of a headache before attributable to my caffeine habit. Yesterday threatened a full-blown migraine (I didn't wait to find out and took some Excedrin Migraine, which includes a few hundred milligrams of caffeine).

Did I cross some threshold?
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by richardtempura on Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:29 am

Welcome to the caffeine-junkie-club Dan!

Withdrawal symptoms at last! ;)

I don't get it often, 'cause I drink coffee almost every day, but I do get it and it is pretty awful.
The other way I get it is by drinking drip-pot coffee.
I don't know why, but I get these intense migraines....

You said you were sick also; that doesn't help neither.
Your system is fragile and the need for caffeine is even worse when that happens.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by annp on Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:10 pm

I had some thyroid problems back in 1995 - just after I got a decent espresso machine. I had a condition called thyroiditis that causes one's thyroid gland to produce too much thyroid hormone, then not enough. According to my doctor the entrance of thyroid hormone into cells is under the influence of adrenal hormones. My doctor was also convinced that caffeine in large amounts could mess with normal adrenal function but I'm not going to get into that here.

Anyway I couldn't drink any coffee, no soda, nothing with caffeine as it made me feel like I was ODing on caffeine. I was shaky, speedy, elevated heart rate, sick to my stomach, yuk.

It was a temporary condition, thankfully, but I had horrid headaches for a week or so while getting "off" of coffee. I felt awful in the morning, I had serious cravings.

I was so happy once my thyroid gland got back under control. 6 months was a long time to look at my machine and wish I could use it.


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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by cannonfodder on Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:17 pm

When I hang an IV bottle under my PF and spend the morning laying on the floor in front of my machine while my 5-year-old son pulls shots for me, I hit the threshold. :twisted:

If you drink because you want it as opposed to need it is the difference. During the summer my consumption drops to two or three doubles a day, in the winter that goes up to three or four doubles a day.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by HB on Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:56 pm

Thanks Dave, I will watch for those "early warning" signs. :shock:

Searching the web, I didn't find a firm answer to my question, i.e., at what consumption amount per day can one expect withdrawal symptoms like headaches and irritability. An interesting website by John Hopkins University entitled "Information About Caffeine Dependency" basically says there is no pat answer, it depends on the person. This excerpt caught my eye:

Many caffeine consumers may be unaware of their physical dependence on caffeine because their frequent habitual consumption precludes a period of sustained abstinence (e.g. 2 days). Furthermore, relatively low doses of caffeine (e.g. as little as 25 mg) can partially suppress withdrawal symptoms.

Or to put it another way for caffeine dependents, a "full dose" isn't required to avoid unwanted symptoms.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by wookie on Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:19 pm

As you found, there is no set figure that would say that you have crossed over into caffeine dependency. In fact, habitual users (like us) can tolerate /enjoy caffeine levels that would make a non-coffee drinker quite ill. Withdrawal symptoms if you miss your morning fix are highly variable from person to person. You could probably ballpark it around 400mg/day for the average person, although there are reports of some people showing dependency on as little as 100mg (1 cup). The short answer to your query is that it varies widely based on your genetic background.

The average caffeine intake for coffee drinkers is about 280mg/day and the LD50 (lethal dose for 50% of people) is in the area of 18g [200mg/kg; assumes 90kg adult]. It'd take over a hundred cups to get near that amount.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by cannonfodder on Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:40 am

Suicide by coffee, I will have to keep that one in mind.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by ThaRiddla on Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:14 am

I think the threshold is pretty high.

In high school I spent a lot of time hanging out in coffee shops and (gasp) Denny's. My usual consumption for one night would be 2-3 16 oz coffees at the local shop, then about 8-15 cups at Denny's (no joke). All this between the hours of 7pm and 2 am.
I'd usually crash and go to bed soon after that, somehow not feeling the effects of the caffeine rushing through my system.

I did, however, have some strange effects after a whole summer of doing this every night....when school started back up, I wasn't able to go to the Denny's or local shops as much, so I drank far less coffee. I didn't put it togther that I always had a strange twitch in my left eye before I had my coffee in the morning. I never got headaches or anything, just the twitching that went away after a cup or two.
I've since cut back (slightly).
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by peon on Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:54 am

I read that you can even get addicted to decaf. Depending on the bean/technique etc etc is has around a 25th of the caffeine of standard coffee. So it doesn't take much...
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by mrosco on Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:35 pm

I usually drink about 5 shots of espresso by around 9:00 a.m. m-f. I get up early and have my first cup around 6 and my second between 8-9. On Saturdays if I sleep in (God willing!) and don't get up until 8 or so I experience a mild headache. I usually resolve this by having coffee and have no problems the rest of the day. If I do the same thing on Sunday I do not experience any headaches.
During the work week I also supplement my caffeine intake in the afternoon with another double or a "Energy Drink". Sometimes I don't have time to walk to the coffee shop. So maybe my total intake a day is around 7 shots.
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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by beta14ok on Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:15 pm

I picked-up my addiction shortly after I graduated college. I drank strong drip coffee every day of the week......except Sundays. On Sunday morning, shortly after the preacher would start his sermon, I would start getting these headaches, which...once started would escalate to full-blown-bangers by the end of the service. And the preacher was pretty good, so I account that it was not his fault. A buddy of mine in whom I confided, ask the first probing question......."How much Coffee do you drink in the morning during the week?" I answered ~3-4 cups before lunch. Well that was it....I was an addict.

My day job at the time was as an analytical chemist developing assays for pharmaceutical drugs in blood serum and urine. I've seen UV spectrophotometric traces of urine samples from coffee drinkers and non-coffee drinkers. The difference is about as subtle as comparing the Amazon rainforest to the salt-flats of Bonneville. Realize that caffeine is only one of the MANY xanthenes that get extracted from coffee during the brewing, absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion process. And caffeine is not the only addictive xanthenes in the mix.

My dad is an MD working in treatment of drug and alcohol addiction. He would say that the biological variability for the threshold of "addiction" is huge from person to person. My guess is that <20mgs per day could get you addicted, but some folks might be less and some folks will certainly require more. The only solution I have found is to insure that my daily caffeine titer is high-enough to prohibit the side-effects of caffeine withdrawal. Espresso has dramatically effected my caffeine consumption, because there is less caffeine extracted during the short 20-25 seconds of exposure to the solvent (water) than there is with drip or press-pot. Is it bad? Naw...works great for me and it's simply not worth the trauma to kick-the-habit. Sure I could wean myself off of it, but why put myself through that!!


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Link to "What is the threshold for caffeine addiction?"by javaseeker on Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:55 pm

I absolutely have to have coffee in the morning. Routine tasks I can handle without it, at least until the headache starts; intelligent thought requires caffeine first.
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