www.seattlecoffeegear.com: let us help you find the right gear

Weighing coffee, and how much?

Beginner or pro barista, all are invited to share.

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:08 am

I *finally* got around to ordering a .1gram digital scales (and calibrating weight). So I will finally know how much I have been consistently using - I have been grinding directly into the pf (Rocky clumpy er doserless)(I stop 3 times during grinding to gently shake the pf side to side to level and settle the grounds er clumps). I grind a little more than necessary, and then using the flat of the measuring spoon to push the extra round and round until all the crevices are filed and the top is level and smooth, and then flicking the rest off. Then I tamp, twist, tap, tamp, twist, wipe the top edge and tabs and lock and load.

So when I get it next week, I will then, before I tamp it, thunk it out and weigh it (or does one tare the filter basket and weigh [basket + coffee]? )

The question, then, will be "how much is correct?"

I am using the ridgeless double basket in the Silvia "commercial" pf. I am under the illusion that "the more coffee the better". I always pull about the same amount of liquid - 1 to 1 1/2 oz, and always shoot for 25-27sec.

tia!
Great forum!!!
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Re: weighing coffee, and how much?

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by barry on Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:44 pm

Kristi wrote:So when I get it next week, I will then, before I tamp it, thunk it out and weigh it (or does one tare the filter basket and weigh [basket + coffee]? )

The question, then, will be "how much is correct?"



tare the basket.

as for "correct", well, what is correct is what works best. perhaps a more proximal goal should be consistency of dose, for once you have a consistent dose, you can adjust other parameters as needed.
User avatar
barry
 
Posts: 511
Joined: Aug 11, 2005
Location: St Louis, MO
www.ptscoffee.com: without the love, it's just coffee
www.ptscoffee.com: without the love, it's just coffee

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:42 pm

This is probably going to be a long response.
In addition, a bunch of the stuff I'm going to say is going to contradict what many (smart) people say and do.
Finally, in addition to (I hope) answering your question I'm going to give a lot of entirely unsolicited and perhaps undesired advice.
For all... I apologize in advance.

Dose:

The "optimal" dose is going to depend upon a number of attributes. First - the coffee. There is no magic dose that works for all coffees. Some coffees respond in certain, perhaps desirable, ways to certain dosing strategies. Others to others. Second - your personal taste. I have a friend who likes his espresso incredibly (to my taste) overextracted. His favorite shots tend to be about 0.75oz from a double basket in about 40 seconds. But he loves the taste. As a result, his optimal dose for any specific coffee is different from mine. Third - your machine. Variances in basket size can be significant as can the affects of different brew pressure profiles. Other factors like gasket sizing and dispersion patterns can even, in theory, play a part.

Yeah... I can hear you right now. "Wow. That's not helpful at all."
So... what do you do?
You explore and you experiment. You know what you like and you have your machine. So, for each coffee you experiment with different doses to see what the results are. When you find results that you like for a specific coffee - then you can stick with that.
Of course... coffees change harvest to harvest and blends change batch formulation to batch formulation but that just means you need to be on your toes and be willing to re-explore.

Dosing:

I am a well-known opponent of grinding and dosing by weight.
In my opinion, there are numerous problems with this approach.
Coffee is an agricultural product and is fundamentally unpredictable, changing and wildly inconsistent. Density, moisture content... it's all a crap shoot.
Grinders tend to trap coffee and introduce uncontrolled variance and loss. Weighing the coffee creates an illusory sense of control while in reality, IMHO, decreasing your real control.
Focusing on weight removes your brain from the action - and your brain is a powerful tool in your favor. The more you can actually pay attention to what you're doing rather than trying to offload that attention to tools dumber than you... the better.

Instead of grinding and dosing by weight I'd strongly suggest doing so by volume.
You will almost certainly find that you are going to get better results in the cup. You will waste some coffee - yes. But it's not a significant loss, and the improvement in your espresso (and the decrease in your frustration) is well worth it.
With practice, you will find that you can be incredibly consistent dosing by volume (good baristas can dose 10 times in a row by volume with a variance of less than 0.3grams).

I spent a lot of time early on working on dosing by volume and then correlating the various volumes to approximate weights. I feel like this has paid off when it comes to communicating results to people - but has been nearly worthless when it comes to the espresso I drink.

Dosing Technique:

As a general rule it is not advisable to shake the portafilter side to side while dosing. This creates distribution problems in the basket - resulting in a bed that is of uneven density. Your extraction, as a result, will be uneven. The results through a naked portafilter can be very illuminating.

If you're trying to deal with the clumping of your grinder, it is far more effective to do so manually as part of your distribution. This will be as effective when it comes to 'de-clumping' and will not introduce extraction problems.

If you're trying to settle the coffee (to assist in updosing) then the better option is to tap the portafilter on the fork or the counter. Tap straight down and don't be overly aggressive. This will enable you to create and preserve even distribution.

Distribution:

I'm like a broken record on this topic... I know that. But honestly, distribution is one of the most important and least appreciated barista skills.

The idea is that you're trying to create a bed of coffee that is of even density within the basket and then preserve that bed.

There are a couple of very good techniques for doing this. While I, personally, believe that the so-called Stockfleth's Move (and its many variants) is the best option, I've also seen (and had) good results from the Schomer "NSEW" distribution technique.

Two things that both have in common that are incredibly important:

1 - you use your finger to distribute the coffee, and
2 - you distribute the coffee (rather than merely leveling off the top surface).

I would predict that paying some attention to this area of technique is going to result in really noticeable changes to the quality of your espresso. There is a ton of data about distribution now. The naked portafilter really opened people's eyes to the importance of the techniques here and seems to have focused a lot of people on these two successful methodologies.

Extraction:

Again, while two of the factors behind your extraction parameters are your personal taste and your machine - the third is the coffee. I would suggest letting go of the "always pull 1-1.5oz in 25-27 seconds" and allowing yourself to taste the coffees and determine what extractions work the best for what coffees given your desired flavour profile.


At the end of the day, you need to be happy with your espresso.
If you taste it - and it tastes good to you - then it is good. If you get there by breaking "rules"... if you're doing things "wrong" according to the "experts and pundits"... well more power to you.

Trust your taste.


I hope this was helpful and not overwhelming, annoying, abrasive or insulting.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:53 pm

Chris! Thank you!!!

malachi wrote:This is probably going to be a long response.
In addition, a bunch of the stuff I'm going to say is going to contradict what many (smart) people say and do.
Finally, in addition to (I hope) answering your question I'm going to give a lot of entirely unsolicited and perhaps undesired advice.
For all... I apologize in advance.


Bah! apology not needed! See below!

malachi wrote:Dose:

The "optimal" dose is going to depend upon a number of attributes. First - the coffee. There is no magic dose that works for all coffees. Some coffees respond in certain, perhaps desirable, ways to certain dosing strategies. Others to others. Second - your personal taste. I have a friend who likes his espresso incredibly (to my taste) overextracted. His favorite shots tend to be about 0.75oz from a double basket in about 40 seconds. But he loves the taste. As a result, his optimal dose for any specific coffee is different from mine. Third - your machine. Variances in basket size can be significant as can the affects of different brew pressure profiles. Other factors like gasket sizing and dispersion patterns can even, in theory, play a part.

Yeah... I can hear you right now. "Wow. That's not helpful at all."
So... what do you do?
You explore and you experiment. You know what you like and you have your machine. So, for each coffee you experiment with different doses to see what the results are. When you find results that you like for a specific coffee - then you can stick with that.
Of course... coffees change harvest to harvest and blends change batch formulation to batch formulation but that just means you need to be on your toes and be willing to re-explore.


Which all seems a lot easier if I am doing it by volume - which I have been, though distribution needs lots of work!

malachi wrote:Dosing:

I am a well-known opponent of grinding and dosing by weight.
In my opinion, there are numerous problems with this approach.
Coffee is an agricultural product and is fundamentally unpredictable, changing and wildly inconsistent. Density, moisture content... it's all a crap shoot.
Grinders tend to trap coffee and introduce uncontrolled variance and loss. Weighing the coffee creates an illusory sense of control while in reality, IMHO, decreasing your real control.
Focusing on weight removes your brain from the action - and your brain is a powerful tool in your favor. The more you can actually pay attention to what you're doing rather than trying to offload that attention to tools dumber than you... the better.

Instead of grinding and dosing by weight I'd strongly suggest doing so by volume.
You will almost certainly find that you are going to get better results in the cup. You will waste some coffee - yes. But it's not a significant loss, and the improvement in your espresso (and the decrease in your frustration) is well worth it.
With practice, you will find that you can be incredibly consistent dosing by volume (good baristas can dose 10 times in a row by volume with a variance of less than 0.3grams).

I spent a lot of time early on working on dosing by volume and then correlating the various volumes to approximate weights. I feel like this has paid off when it comes to communicating results to people - but has been nearly worthless when it comes to the espresso I drink.


I absolutely loved reading this!!!!!!!!! So that's cool - all the scale will do for me is tell me the weight of the volume I've been using (curiosity factor), then I put the scale away. Cool! (I ordered a cheap scale so this is not a concern.) I figure what I have been doing has been by volume and I totally agree that there is so much variance in how much gets hung up in the grinder, etc, that weight is extremely difficult.

malachi wrote:Dosing Technique:

As a general rule it is not advisable to shake the portafilter side to side while dosing. This creates distribution problems in the basket - resulting in a bed that is of uneven density. Your extraction, as a result, will be uneven. The results through a naked portafilter can be very illuminating.


Thanks for both of those - I see the truth in it and will put a bottomless holder on the list. Okay - no more shaking side to side! Thanks!

malachi wrote:If you're trying to deal with the clumping of your grinder, it is far more effective to do so manually as part of your distribution. This will be as effective when it comes to 'de-clumping' and will not introduce extraction problems.

If you're trying to settle the coffee (to assist in updosing) then the better option is to tap the portafilter on the fork or the counter. Tap straight down and don't be overly aggressive. This will enable you to create and preserve even distribution.


I think learning distribution is where it's at.............
A person over on cg suggested that I grind into a glass, shake it gently, then dump it gently into the basket (to reduce clumps)(might also help distribution). <--- what do you think of that?
Then I figure I would have to distribute it evenly...

malachi wrote:Distribution:

I'm like a broken record on this topic... I know that. But honestly, distribution is one of the most important and least appreciated barista skills.

The idea is that you're trying to create a bed of coffee that is of even density within the basket and then preserve that bed.

There are a couple of very good techniques for doing this. While I, personally, believe that the so-called Stockfleth's Move (and its many variants) is the best option, I've also seen (and had) good results from the Schomer "NSEW" distribution technique.


Can you give me a link to Stockfleth's Move - I've heard the name but never seen a description. tia.
Schomer's NSEW, I think I read in his archives, but will do again. I was kinda doing this with my pinky until I started preheating my pf/filter and started burning my pinkie so went to the flat of a spoon... Maybe preheat the pf holder but not the filter?

malachi wrote:Two things that both have in common that are incredibly important:

1 - you use your finger to distribute the coffee, and
2 - you distribute the coffee (rather than merely leveling off the top surface).

I would predict that paying some attention to this area of technique is going to result in really noticeable changes to the quality of your espresso. There is a ton of data about distribution now. The naked portafilter really opened people's eyes to the importance of the techniques here and seems to have focused a lot of people on these two successful methodologies.


I hear you. It would be nice if I could see a video of this process. I've seen lots of videos of shots baing pulled, but I don't think any of distribution. If you know of any, pse let me know.

malachi wrote:Extraction:

Again, while two of the factors behind your extraction parameters are your personal taste and your machine - the third is the coffee. I would suggest letting go of the "always pull 1-1.5oz in 25-27 seconds" and allowing yourself to taste the coffees and determine what extractions work the best for what coffees given your desired flavour profile.


At the end of the day, you need to be happy with your espresso.
If you taste it - and it tastes good to you - then it is good. If you get there by breaking "rules"... if you're doing things "wrong" according to the "experts and pundits"... well more power to you.

Trust your taste.


This all sounds cool - good guidance! Thanks!!!


malachi wrote:I hope this was helpful and not overwhelming, annoying, abrasive or insulting.


Exceedingly helpful and coming to me at a good time.

THANKS!!!!!!!
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:20 pm

Glad I could help!

Stockfleth's video - http://gauperaa.coffeed.com/videos/stockflethsmove.wmv
Schomer - http://www.lucidcafe.com/cafeforum/schomertable18.html (though the stuff in his book is better yet and I think his video actually demonstrates).


The shaking in the cup idea seems to me to have some problems - both in terms of oxidization of the coffee (albeit it to a minor degree) but more importantly I don't see how it's going to help distribution at all. I think it's wiser to simply dose to the desired amount (the "heaping pile") and then settle the coffee if you choose to (1 to perhaps 4 taps straight down) and then distribute with pressure. The downwards pressure coupled with the manual distribution should "de-clump" your coffee sufficiently.
In general I try to avoid introducing un-needed additional complexity to the process.

Clumping is a serious drag - I know. The coffee grinder options right now kind of suck - and this is a good illustration of that.

Out of curiosity... when you say "preheat the portafilter" what do you mean?
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:50 pm

Thanks for the links and quick answer!!! Quick answer to this note and then off to those.

malachi wrote:Out of curiosity... when you say "preheat the portafilter" what do you mean?


Take a blowtorch and warm until dull red... :twisted:

I have been leaving the pf with empty basket very gently locked in during the 1HR or so warmup. So it's pretty darn hot to my pinkie when I pull it out, grind into it, and distribute. I was wondering if maybe I should leave the basket out, and fill it at the last moment, put it into the pf holder and lock it in?
tia
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:40 pm

Oh... so not preheating per se but just allowed to sit in the group.
Yeah... that's what you need to do.
Umm.... I don't know what to say. I've got pretty limited sensation in my hands from the whole barista/cook thing so the portafilter really doesn't feel hot to me.
Maybe try using your index finger? That's what I do.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:23 pm

Good success so far. Stockfleth uses the edge of the palm and finger and it is so quick that heat of pf is not a prob. Getting better at measuring beans that I grind...

Wound up with too much this morning and pull was 37sec for about 1/8 shot, and then I let it run into a second cup for another 25 sec or so. Then I realized that I had forgotten to change my grinder setting from decaf to regular... :oops: but both cups were good - flavorful.

Just a little too little this noon to do Stockfleth, but still did it, and got tastey shot.

I have run out of good beans so using opened-a-week TraderJoes 5 country. And still got tastey pulls. In spite of my mistakes!

I very much like Stockfleth. It also helps to grind into a glass and then put the basket on top and gently reciprocate the glass/basket - MUCH less clumping and better distribution before I start Stockfleth.

That video is great!!!

THANKS, Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kristi

[boiler PID is 212F for 88-89C at screen, about 4 sec cooling pull, then lock and pull shot]

EDIT: also ordered a flat rosewood tamper from 1st line (using curved Lava)
Also ordered rope heater.

reading your Mia review: "I strip the chrome off the insides of my portafilters and then keep the brass clean, polished and seasoned" How do you do that?
tia
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:25 pm

Kristi wrote:reading your Mia review: "I strip the chrome off the insides of my portafilters and then keep the brass clean, polished and seasoned" How do you do that?


There are two answers.
First is how I do it, second is how I would suggest you do it.
I do it with acid.
I would suggest you do it with an abrasive pad on a drill (or just take it to a metal plating shop).
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:47 pm

Thanks. I'll sand it off. "keep brass clean..." but how do you "season" it?
tia!!
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:43 pm

Once you've stripped the chrome you're ready to go.

With a clean portafilter, you pull a garbage shot to season and then go.
To quick-clean the portafilter, you scour it with a 1inch square of scotchbrite green scrubby and then rinse and wipe dry.
To really clean it, you scour and then soak in a Joe Glo solution and then rinse and wipe dry.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:49 pm

Thanks! also thanks for calling the "green scrubby" a scotchbrite! That should be easy. Sounds like a trip to Sears tomorrow to find something to put on my drill to remove the chrome.
Kristi
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:15 am

Used some 3 day old Caffe Fresco Daterra this morning... Yeah, it's early, but didn't start blonding till about 40 sec and was a very tasty ristretto. Stockfleth rocks!
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by Kristi on Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:27 pm

Hard getting the chrome off. would have liked to be able to bathe the whole thing in hcl but don't know where to get it (I'm used to handling strong acids - worked in a thin films lab when in college.)(oh, I see, "Science Stuff - $10 for half liter)(oh, muriatic acid - hardware store) So I got much of it off. I think a bit of "tang" is gone. Shot I pulled this morning with the Datera was nirvana. A lot of the credit these days goes to Stockfleth. Thanks Chris!!!!!!! (I did weigh it and got about 17.6 grams which I am happy with.)(pulling results much better if I ignore timing and wait for blonding and then shut off) It is much easier to attain 200F at the screen. I warm up for an hour or so (PID set to 212), flush for 4 sec, and immediately pull shot. I can tell when I forget to flush, so my taste buds are beginning to develope, but that's a 4 degree difference - sledge hammer much!
Kristi
 
Posts: 263
Joined: Nov 30, 2005
Location: Boston

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by espressoperson on Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:47 pm

malachi wrote:Focusing on weight removes your brain from the action - and your brain is a powerful tool in your favor. The more you can actually pay attention to what you're doing rather than trying to offload that attention to tools dumber than you... the better.

Hmmm. How could anyone with a brain argue with this?
Instead of grinding and dosing by weight I'd strongly suggest doing so by volume.
You will almost certainly find that you are going to get better results in the cup. You will waste some coffee - yes. But it's not a significant loss, and the improvement in your espresso (and the decrease in your frustration) is well worth it.
With practice, you will find that you can be incredibly consistent dosing by volume (good baristas can dose 10 times in a row by volume with a variance of less than 0.3grams).

I think my preference for weight may be built on incorrect assumptions.

(1) I work with a 49 mm basket and determined early on that the Schomer method would not put enough grinds in the basket, but the Stockfleths method would.
(2) I thought that the Schomer method was based on volume. Grind to overfill portafilter, tap, distribute with finger, level with finger to remove excess. Amount you wind up with is determined by the method, and weight is a by-product of the process.
(3) And that Stockfleth was based on weight. Grind the amount you want for your dose, distribute that amount into the basket a la Stockfleth. Amount in basket is determined by weight, not by the process.

Now you state you dose by volume AND you use the Stockfleth method. So how do you get the consistency shot to shot to know how much coffee to use? Leaving weight out of this, how do you know how much to grind or when to stop grinding/flicking the doser and start Stockflething? Are there references for knowing how much of a heap to create before starting to distribute? Or some other way to know how much to work with? And what particular variations might there be for the smaller but deeper 49 mm basket?

I can't tell you how much your presence and contribution is appreciated here. Thanks for continuing to push us and give us at least a glimpse into the world of espresso excellence. Overwhelming? Yes! But keep it coming!
MichaelB, LMWDP #24
User avatar
espressoperson
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Jun 05, 2005
Location: Philadelphia

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:26 pm

Now I'm confused.

Neither distribution method is dependent upon any method of dosing.
You could dose based on either weight or volume for either of them.
Personally... I would always suggest dosing based on volume - regardless of your distribution methodology.

As for how much to grind... I always grind a little more than I need and sweep the extra into the knockbox.
As for consistency... practice.

Don't thank me - seriously. I learn more every day about coffee than you could imagine and all it does is make me realize how ignorant I am. There are people out there who have incredible knowledge - amazing specialists and minds. Generalists like me never have any depth of knowledge.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by espressoperson on Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:22 pm

malachi wrote:Now I'm confused.

Neither distribution method is dependent upon any method of dosing.
You could dose based on either weight or volume for either of them.
Personally... I would always suggest dosing based on volume - regardless of your distribution methodology.

As for how much to grind... I always grind a little more than I need and sweep the extra into the knockbox.
As for consistency... practice.


In a previous state of mind I spent a lot of time working out the ideal weight for a shot. My magic number was 15 g and I applied it faithfully to all shots. It was one less thing to worry about. Turn the responsibility for dosing to the scale rather than to the brain and senses.

After wrestling with the ideas on this thread, I still weigh the beans to start but observe the resulting volume and adjust the weight I grind next time according to the observation and the results in the cup. All my shots have improved, but my decaf espresso results have really benefited from following this weight to start/volume to finish method. While my ideal dose for fresh sweet maria's espresso monkey blend is still close to 15 g, my dose for decaf espresso donkey blend usually starts at 16 g and climbs to 17 g or more as the coffee ages. My nightly dessert decaf espressos have become a real treat with this approach. No more dripping with preinfusion, no more channeling and early blonding, just smooth, tiger striped crema filled pulls.

The weak point in this method is that I need to pull the shot first and see the results to get a better read on what the weight should be for the next shot. But I think this is really no different than dialing in the grinder. You take your best guess and then adjust for the next shot. And just like I can take a good guess on grinder setting with beans I know, I am starting to get a better first shot guess for the best weight for those familiar beans.

The reason I am still using weight at all (aside from the fact that it is easy enough to do and I am curious about the number) is because I don't know how to use volume alone with the stockfleth method. I can't tell by the mound of grinds heaped in and above the basket when there are enough grinds to get the ideal volume. So I still start with weight for a reference point for adjusting volume.

I still strive for consistency in the way I fill and tap the portafilter, the stockflething to distribute the grinds, and the tamping. The variability is in the weight of beans that I grind for the shot. Right now I am aiming for the ideal volume to allow proper distribution and best height in the basket for the mechanics of the shot. But I can at least imagine a time when I may be able to vary volume and these other consistent factors to control the taste.
MichaelB, LMWDP #24
User avatar
espressoperson
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Jun 05, 2005
Location: Philadelphia

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by kbuzbee on Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:39 pm

malachi wrote:There are two answers.
First is how I do it, second is how I would suggest you do it.
I do it with acid.
I would suggest you do it with an abrasive pad on a drill (or just take it to a metal plating shop).


Why do you remove the chrome??

Thanks

Ken
User avatar
kbuzbee
 
Posts: 135
Joined: Jan 09, 2006
Location: Mentor, Ohio USA

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by kbuzbee on Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:42 pm



It says this file doesn't exist..... Help?

Thanks

Ken
User avatar
kbuzbee
 
Posts: 135
Joined: Jan 09, 2006
Location: Mentor, Ohio USA

Link to "Weighing coffee, and how much?"by malachi on Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:22 pm

Rather than just clicking on it, right-click and save it to your computer and then play it locally.

Removing the chrome eliminates the harsh "metallic" bright note that chrome seems to impart.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
User avatar
malachi
 
Posts: 1063
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Next

Return to Tips and Techniques