Vibiemme double boiler PID espresso machine on the way - Page 2

[jasonmolinari]

I'm very excited about this machine. I'm considering an upgrade to a Vivaldi II rotary, so clearly the rotary double boiler interests me. I would like to keep a 58mm group mostly b/c i already have tampers and PFs for 58mm.

I hope HB gets a review machine soon!

Do you have any ballpark figures for the price? We won't hold you to it. Will it be comparable to a Vivaldi II price? ($2k) or considerably more (since the rotary HX is at 2k, i imagine a dual boiler would be quite a bit more?)

Thanks
jason

[cannonfodder]

From the first post of the thread...

...

The first U.S. shipment of twenty machines will be delivered in the end of March, 2008. We are accepting pre-orders for a special introductory price of $1895.00.

Due to many customer requests, Vibiemme has also developed a rotary pump, plumbed-in, HX version of the Domobar Super. This model will offer the same reliability as its tank counterparts. Twenty "Manuale" units in Stainless Steel with arrive in the same March shipment. The special introductory price for pre-ordered machines is $1995.00.

...

Stefano Cremonesi

[jasonmolinari]

Cannonfodder: neither of those is the dual boiler rotary.
The 1st is the dual boiler vibe, the 2nd is the HX rotary.

[cannonfodder]

Sorry about that, misread your question. I believe those are the only variants that will be available soon. I believe Jim put the other iterations out to around midyear for the start of production, best case. That would probably make delivery around 4th quarter. I have not heard any discussion of price on the rotary DB machine.

[jasonmolinari]

Cannonfodder:

The plumbed-in, rotary vane pump, Double Boiler version will leave Italy at end
of March with a delivery into the USA by end of May.

That's why i ask:)

[networkcrasher]

I'd like to see a conversion kit to transform the dual boiler vibe model into a plumbed in rotary for future options. I like having the flexibility of the tank so I can put it anywhere, then again, plumbing in would be killer. I have seen the plumb in kit at Chris' that has a "floater" type refill valve that can be inserted into the tank, but that keeps the vibe around.

[annp]

Yes, it will fit, that's what I use.

(doing equipment happy dance!) Yes!

I *like* that portafilter. And the 4 triple baskets that are all filled with ground and distributed shots : )

[multigl]

I haven't followed this machine as long as many have followed the GS/3, but I hope it doesn't turn into another GS/3! The coffee shop I purchase all my beans from also is a retailer for high end stuff, and they told me to check out the DB Vibiemme but it would appear information is few and far between. How big are the boilers? Who makes the PID? What's the electrical requirements? What does it _look_ like? How well does it perform?

I'm a little nervous about pre-ordering such an expensive product without their being anything backing it up.

[HB]

Joesph, I merged your post with an existing thread on the same subject. There are a couple other threads with additional information:

Rumour of Dual Boiler, PID, Rotary Vibiemme: appears to be true
Vibiemme PID double boiler

If all goes to plan, we'll be evaluating the Vibiemme double boiler next month. As I understand it, the base machine is the well known Vibiemme Domobar Super, which was reviewed on this site and CoffeeGeek.

[networkcrasher]

How big are the boilers?

1.4L brew /.9L (i think) on steam

Who makes the PID?

Gicar makes the PID

What's the electrical requirements?

15A

What does it _look_ like?

Pics are all over. Note a few others at http://www.flickr.com/photos/w1r3d1/1684559889/

How well does it perform?

No one has one in the states to review, so no word on performance yet. Given the precursor, I'm betting my money on it!

[jasonmolinari]

Never heard a reply on my question about ballpark pricing for the double boiler rotary version? I know it is coming out second, but i figure if i'm changing machines might as well go for a rotary one.

Dan, are you planning on testing the vibe PID/DB or the rotary PID/DB?

thanks
jason

[HB]

Dan, are you planning on testing the vibe PID/DB or the rotary PID/DB?

We'll test the vibe pump version. IIRC, the rotary version is planned for a later production run.

[networkcrasher]

Never heard a reply on my question about ballpark pricing for the double boiler rotary version? I know it is coming out second, but i figure if i'm changing machines might as well go for a rotary one.

Dan, are you planning on testing the vibe PID/DB or the rotary PID/DB?

thanks
jason

I'm hoping that the vibe will allow for a rotary conversion

It's either that or I'm going to try my hand at one of those 'toilet style' autofill systems.

[jasonmolinari]

I used to have a toilet style autofill on my Tea, it worked great.

The reason i'm interested in the rotary is the quietness and the possible quality increase (seems pretty debated)

[networkcrasher]

That's why I'm thinking an outboard rotary. I like the idea of having the reservoir available in case I can't plumb it in the future. I plan on keeping this one for quite sometime

[cafeIKE]

The reason i'm interested in the rotary is the quietness...

With a bit of damping, the vibe Domobar Super is pretty quiet. Some have asked if it IS a rotary.

It's a LOT quieter than a Max Hybrid!

If you are interested I can measure and post A and C weighted values.

[jasonmolinari]

No, thanks CafeIke...it wouldn't mean much to me without a comparison of my Tea

[cafeIKE]

No, thanks CafeIke...it wouldn't mean much to me without a comparison of my Tea

What kind of grinder do you have? I can measure an M4, Max H or Gran Macinino and give a comparison

[jasonmolinari]

I have a Mazzer mini

[multigl]

No one has one in the states to review, so no word on performance yet. Given the precursor, I'm betting my money on it!

thanks for the answers! One more question, is the boiler config really 1.4L for brew and .9L for steam? That seems interesting, aren't most DB machines on the market (consumer) the opposite with a larger boiler for steam?