Where to find data on brew group temperature stability, especially Lelit PL41 and Bezzera Unica?
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jere
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Hello,
I'm in the need for an espresso machine, sort of urgently, so I ask for an advice. My Kmix thermoboiler coffee machine stopped working, so this would be good time to upgrade the mornings & weekends. After two weeks with a dipper this need has become urgent
Reading several posts and discussions I've understood that brew temperature stability is what differentiates a good machine from a not so good one the most, as the brew pressure can be easily be controlled with an over-pressure valve? If so, it has been surprisingly difficult to find any actually information on this easily measurable parameter. Not even a styrofoam cup test, let alone measurements inside the portafilter. Nothing.
Does anyone know where to look for such data?
Especially I would be interested in Lelit PL41, plus or non-plus, probably with PID. Good looking, affordable and have a space for that ready. We have a tiny kitchen. But I haven't found any actual data on the machine performance. Obviously 25-30 ml boiler is usually too small and as obviously this machine makes good espresso when compared to cheaper machines. But that feels a bit insufficient to spend a good amount of money.
Other options I've come across
- Little used Bezzera Unica PID (not quite convinced that e61 is actually beneficial in SBDU, doesn't the group head get too warm for brewing when you steam?)
- Nuova Simonelli Oscar older model (bulky for a small kitchen and the looks barely tolerable).
- Second-hand Izzo Vivi PID (a bit pricier and 7 years old, so can get even pricier in use)
- Second Hand Breville Dual Boiler (second-hand with this machine apparently means about to break down with no reasonable fix?)
- Vibiemme Domobar Junior XH, Bezzera BZ10 and Lelit PL62 are probably over the budget, as I need to upgrade the grinder as well.
What would you recommend? I'm not on a tight budget here, it's more about what is reasonable to spend. I don't have a super-refined palate, just want good espresso & microfoam. Nothing against the waiting times with SBDU, just concerned about the brewing & steaming ability. Reasonable warm up time would be good. Space is limited and most likely I have to place the machine under a cabinet, so heavy and water-consuming HX machine with the water tank in the back is perhaps not a good idea.
One quite intriguing option would be The Decent Espresso Machine. If it ever comes to market. And doesn't cost too much for an Android device.
Jere
I'm in the need for an espresso machine, sort of urgently, so I ask for an advice. My Kmix thermoboiler coffee machine stopped working, so this would be good time to upgrade the mornings & weekends. After two weeks with a dipper this need has become urgent
Reading several posts and discussions I've understood that brew temperature stability is what differentiates a good machine from a not so good one the most, as the brew pressure can be easily be controlled with an over-pressure valve? If so, it has been surprisingly difficult to find any actually information on this easily measurable parameter. Not even a styrofoam cup test, let alone measurements inside the portafilter. Nothing.
Does anyone know where to look for such data?
Especially I would be interested in Lelit PL41, plus or non-plus, probably with PID. Good looking, affordable and have a space for that ready. We have a tiny kitchen. But I haven't found any actual data on the machine performance. Obviously 25-30 ml boiler is usually too small and as obviously this machine makes good espresso when compared to cheaper machines. But that feels a bit insufficient to spend a good amount of money.
Other options I've come across
- Little used Bezzera Unica PID (not quite convinced that e61 is actually beneficial in SBDU, doesn't the group head get too warm for brewing when you steam?)
- Nuova Simonelli Oscar older model (bulky for a small kitchen and the looks barely tolerable).
- Second-hand Izzo Vivi PID (a bit pricier and 7 years old, so can get even pricier in use)
- Second Hand Breville Dual Boiler (second-hand with this machine apparently means about to break down with no reasonable fix?)
- Vibiemme Domobar Junior XH, Bezzera BZ10 and Lelit PL62 are probably over the budget, as I need to upgrade the grinder as well.
What would you recommend? I'm not on a tight budget here, it's more about what is reasonable to spend. I don't have a super-refined palate, just want good espresso & microfoam. Nothing against the waiting times with SBDU, just concerned about the brewing & steaming ability. Reasonable warm up time would be good. Space is limited and most likely I have to place the machine under a cabinet, so heavy and water-consuming HX machine with the water tank in the back is perhaps not a good idea.
One quite intriguing option would be The Decent Espresso Machine. If it ever comes to market. And doesn't cost too much for an Android device.
Jere
