

MY BAD! Re-reading the NWRBC Judges Rule & Regs it just hit me you weren't necessarily talking about liquor, but the ban of any alcohol like commonly found in most extracts. Now that does seem abit absurd and out of touch with coffee cafe reality.miKe mcKoffee wrote:While I agree to the validity of alcohol as a viable ingredient in signature drinks, here in the US serving alcohol is regulated by the Gov and limited to licensed liquor establishments with much different and stricter licensing requirements than a coffee cafe. And hence coffee drinks with alcohol are never found in commerical coffee cafes so the competition ban does in fact mirror real life for the vast majority of baristi in the US. Those that work in bars or restaurants with a liquor license would be the only exception.

miKe mcKoffee wrote:Make a ristretto an additional competition item! (with additional time added of course) Sure a good normale shot is hard enough to find, but a good ristretto shot is almost impossible to find out there!
Ben C. wrote:Ppl just DON'T GET IT!!
Ristretto is NOT automatically better than a Normale. In fact, I HATE those two words. The dosage and resulting liquid is much much more meaningful than putting label on drinks. Who cares what you call it... just have good espresso. Each bean/blend has an optimum range of flavor that the roaster wanted to express. It's up to the Barista to choose what he/she wanted to present, from that range of flavor, to the customer. This is what makes this brewing method interesting.
Using a singular apporach is just plain wrong!
So many ppl are polluted by what are presented in the media/online forums to think that ristretto = good. Well, why is that? Because most of the bean/blends are CRAP! They are usually over-roasted to cover up the off-flavor and defects from the junk beans in it. In this case, pulling a "ristretto" helps to make it pallatable because when you up the dose and pull it short, you kill the overwhelming roast flavor (think burnt stench). And because it's a duller coffee (due to the darker roast), flavor gets amplified enough to be notice w/out being over-bearing. The result is a mellow (or dull, depends on your definition) shot that is somewhat muddy (from the roast) but viscous and enjoyable.
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ThaRiddla wrote:The only limitation that i might want to see relaxed is the "drinkable" part. I think that is the most limiting factor...maybe the verbiage could be changed to something that would include mousses, gels (gelatin, etc.) and other, thicker yet still not solid forms of food. Even with the "drinkable" restriction, it's still pretty wide open. The real emphasis is on the barista's skill set and creativity.

I don't think that the allowance of alcohol would enhance anything. I'm sure that a good barista can find the flavor that they liked in the spirited version of the liquid and reproduce it in a non-alcohol form.
HB wrote:It's interesting to note that Mark Prince frequently refers to a ristretto as a "crutch drink" because they're easier to pull. I'm with Ben in the sense that I characterize a ristretto more by the way it pours and the taste profile than an arbitrary volume definition. As for your comment about ristrettos in competition, I'm reminded of Aubrey Morris' signature drink at last year's SERBC: A ristretto Toscano with a teenie dab of cayenne pepper. She wanted to contrast the sweetness of the espresso with hot spiciness. She even had two grinders with one dialed in for her signature drink. Unfortunately she got them mixed up and spent precious minutes re-dialing in the one that was setup for doubles!
I don't disagree. The idea of having the same SO supplied to each competitor would indeed require rules changes, not only in prescribed volume and time but quite likely removing the ban on adjusting espresso machine temp or pressure. I don't know if the rule is standard for all SCAA comps but the stated NWRBC calibrated shot temp standard seems to me pretty wide 195-205f. I don't know if a competitor is allowed to have their station's machine adjusted to their desired shot temp during prep time but doesn't seem so. Unless not being their ideal shot temp would be considered under a "technical problem".another_jim wrote:From a competition standpoint, having either limits on shot sizes and time as now, or requiring multiple types of shots as Mike proposes, limits the coffees that can be used for competition. Certainly the best coffees I've had this year would have been unsuitable SO in barista competition, since they either had too much crema color variation or didn't taste right at the prescribed measure and time.
My (very selfish) standpoint is that these competitions should ideally showcase the best espresso SOs and blends conceivable. The rules should be constructed to permit this.

Nick wrote:That said, a "S.O. Challenge" could be really cool. Take a "mystery" coffee or two, and let each team of baristas play with grind, brew temps, dose, etc., to pull the best representation of that bean in espresso form.