Smallest E61 HX Machine?

[RancilioRancilio]

Hi ,

I am thinking about upgrading from a Rancilio Silvia to an E61 machine but size is the biggest problem. The E61 machines are all very deep and I don't really have the room. Is there a smaller E61 HX machine that I am not aware of? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[DaveC]

Hi ,

I am thinking about upgrading from a Rancilio Silvia to an E61 machine but size is the biggest problem. The E61 machines are all very deep and I don't really have the room. Is there a smaller E61 HX machine that I am not aware of? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I think the NS Oscars have a fairly small footprint and are pour over HX machines

[HB]

Oscar is listed as 12" wide and 15-3/4" deep. It doesn't get much smaller than that. I bought La Valentina in part because my alloted space is only 22" wide including room for the grinder (here are La Valentina's dimensions). It's tight, but workable and doesn't look too badly shoehorned because the sloping sides narrow to 9" at the top.

[another_jim]

The Elektra Semiautomatica is 12 inches in diameter, but 22 inches tall. It has the smallest footprint of any HX machine I know of.

[cannonfodder]

The Quick Mill Alexia is a single boiler E61 that can be gotten with a PID and measures in at 9"w17"d and 15 ¼ high. While deeper than the La Valentina it is about as skinny as you can get for a 'standard box' E61. The Semi pulls darn good shots and looks like a million dollars.

[Teme]

The ECM Cellini Premium, the Pasquini Livia and the Salvatore are also fairly compact heat-exchanger machines.

Br,
Teme

[BradleyB]

I think the NS Oscars have a fairly small footprint and are pour over HX machines

The Oscar is, indeed, a HX machine, but I do not believe that it is an e61, nor, IIRC, does it use a thermosyphon. Isn't the HX accomplished by a mass in direct contact with the boiler? In that regard, the Bezerra BZ02 is also a non-imposing, non-E61 HX machine, with the additional feature of a hot water tap, which the Oscar lacks, and, perhaps, better prospects for the internal electronics holding up over time.

Brad

[BigFrank]

I'm also looking for a small HX machine...

So far the Pulser looks like the smallest one - Its footprint is 16.5 inches deep, but only 9.5 wide.

[Grant]

I don't know if you can find any around any more, but the Euro2000 Junior was pretty small at about 10" x 16"

Grant

[JB130]

If non-E61 is an option, I think the winner would have to be the Olympia Maximatic (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=190097850833). Only 12 inches high with a footprint about the size of an 8.5-by-11 sheet of paper.

[cannonfodder]

That little maximatic went cheap. New, they are several thousand ($3,500 to be exact)!

[cannonfodder]

There are two questions here. The OP asked for the smallest E61 group machine, not all of them are HX. The one I pointed out is an E61, single boiler, not HX. Keep that in mind when looking.

[DaveC]

The only thing I would say is, not to get too hung up about an E61 group, as long as it's got the e61 style "bottom", then all the compatibility issues go away and in some respects the E61 doesn't always work so great on HX machines, often these partial E61 groups can work just as well or better!

[espressme]

? What makes an E-61? The group is not bolted to the Boiler but tube fed. I believe the maxi is the same. My old 55 mm Salvatore is an HX with a 3way solenoid on the water inlet. What differentiates that type of machine from the E-61?
richard

[HB]

Split follow on discussion to What makes it an E61 group?

[mogogear]

Not really "available" all the time...

but a Pasquini Livietta / Olympia Maximatic is a really small footprint HX . I no longer have mine and can't seem to find the exterior dimensions. I assume it would not really be a consideration since they ( old ones) are only found here and there on Ebay and new ones are back-ordered at Olympia currently - selling for about $3,200... but they do a very nice job and deliver a very nice shot.