Rumour of Dual Boiler, PID, Rotary Vibiemme: appears to be true - Page 2

[cedar]

thanks for the updates Terry and Jim.

Do either of you have an rough idea of what the prices might be for these three models?

[jesawdy]

These are interesting developments. Seems to me that Vibiemme will have a machine to fit most everyones desires in the Domobar lineup... provided you can accommodate the somewhat large footprint.

I noticed that the prototype boiler looks to be the same as the Quick Mill Alexia boiler...


Quick Mill Alexia boiler left, Vibiemme dual boiler prototype right

[luca]

I noticed that the prototype boiler looks to be the same as the Quick Mill Alexia boiler...

Someone's on the ball! Looks identical, doesn't it - right down to the way that one of the ports on the Vibiemme is blocked off by a nut.

Seems to me that Vibiemme will have a machine to fit most everyones desires in the Domobar lineup... provided you can accommodate the somewhat large footprint.

I'll be very interested to see how this dual boiler machine performs when and if we see it. The cynic in me can't help but feel that every man and his dog is jumping on the dual boiler bandwagon. The optimist in me can't help but feel that we might be starting to see some prosumer machines that are pushing the envelope.

Cheers,

Luca

[1st-line]

thanks for the updates Terry and Jim.

Do either of you have an rough idea of what the prices might be for these three models?

Sorry, prices have not yet been established.

[1st-line]

These are interesting developments. Seems to me that Vibiemme will have a machine to fit most everyones desires in the Domobar lineup... provided you can accommodate the somewhat large footprint.

I noticed that the prototype boiler looks to be the same as the Quick Mill Alexia boiler...

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Quick Mill Alexia boiler left, Vibiemme dual boiler prototype right

Just to note, many manufacturers source parts from similar suppliers who make valves, boilers, electronic brain units, etc. In this case, the steam boiler on the Vibiemme double boiler PID is similar to the coffee boiler of the Alexia.

[cannonfodder]

Jim got it, I was going to point out that the boiler in the foreground is piped into the steam wand, the one in the background would be the brew boiler, and it looks to be substantially larger. On the steam boiler I see the over temperature breaker, gauge capillary tube, solenoid auto fill but no pressurestat. I wonder if it will thermostat, PID or pressurestat controlled?

It looks like they retained the existing OPV but in a vertical arrangement. That would make adjusting it a bit harder if it goes into production like that with a water reservoir. You would have to remove the inner shroud to make an adjustment. On the rotary versions, the inner shroud is not there.

The boiler to steam valve line is huge, that looks like it could steam a half gallon of milk, wouldn"t mind playing with one. I cannot be certain without another view, but it looks like the water tap may be fed from the brew boiler?

Edit, on second thought, I see a second line running from the top of the steam boiler, that could be a water tap or pressurestat line. The line at the bottom of the steam boiler appears to be the fill line.

[pauljolly65]

You can see the PID display between the gauges. (photo credits to Terry Z)

Thanks for uploading those two photos...though I had to look at Terry's Flickr photos and go dream-walking through the Milan event. Man, that looks like fun.

But here's what I'm wondering: how long will a PID last at that location? That's one of the hottest parts of the facing on my VBM...which leaves me thinking that the electronics in the PID will be nicely cooked, and that right soon. Someone who knows more than me, please chime in!

Cheers,
Paul

[Randy G.]

But here's what I'm wondering: how long will a PID last at that location?

VBM's sensibility with component placement shown in the current models would lead me to believe that the production model will deal with that. The easiest solution would be to place the electronics at the bottom of the machine and just have the display and control buttons on the panel.

[cafeIKE]

VBM's sensibility with component placement shown in the current models would lead me to believe that the production model will deal with that. The easiest solution would be to place the electronics at the bottom of the machine and just have the display and control buttons on the panel.

If one examines the 2nd photo here one can see the ribbon cable to the display and buttons as Randy surmises.

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The grey ribbon with the red stripe behind and to the right of the blue wires is the connection from the PID to the display.

One needs to remember that Vibiemme has been making professional machines for over 30 years.

[1st-line]

thanks for the updates Terry and Jim.

Do either of you have an rough idea of what the prices might be for these three models?

Just a quick update and to make sure there is no confusion....

There will be three Vibiemme Domobar Super models slated for 2008...

A) Vibe pump PID-controlled dual boiler tank model Vibiemme now slated for early spring introduction
B) Rotary vane pump heat exchange boiler with direct water connect Vibiemme now slated for early spring introduction
C) Rotary vane pump PID-controlled dual boiler with direct water connect Vibiemme slated for the latter part of 2008

We have decided to delay the introduction of the first two models as 1st-line and Vibiemme have both agreed there should be further enhancements to make these models very competitive in terms of price, performance, and value vs. expectations of the HB community.

Prices have still not been determined due to the following reasons:

A) Prices for components at a mass level have not been determined nor negotiated yet with suppliers,
B) The Euro-Dollar exchange rate, as well as the cost of metals, have a large play in determining prices.

[zin1953]

Sounds like it just may be perfect . . . . keep us posted!

[stefano65]

Last update from this am when i spoke with the factory
the PID is not optimize yet they are working on changing some parameters( since is a new style design for vibiemme as is the display)
also they are trying a combination of different boilers and new boiler are on the way from the boiler manufacturers
like Jim said in a post above, Vibiemme doesn't want to hurry to shoot out a machine without taking the time to make it right the first time
more to come

[MoBak]

They have now started to sell the new VBM PID in Denmark. One of the first happy owners has posted a some very nice photos here: http://www.espressobar.dk/index.p...it=10&limitstart=0

It's a Danish site, but these pictures of the machine are very nice.

The machine is so far introduced in one version only: Dual boiler, PID, Water tank and vibration pump.

The price in Denmark is 13.500 DKr. This includes 25% VAT. If you exclude the VAT it's around 2160 US$

[LeoZ]

man when this thing comes out ill sell both my giotto and my microcasa a leva for it!

[multigl]

anyone have any guesses as to how difficult it would be to swap the vibe pump for a rotary pump in this machine (e.g. is there prior art to doing it in the HX domobar super) ?

[Beezer]

I thought there was going to be a rotary pump version of the double boiler machine in a few months. Why not just wait for that model? It's bound to be a cleaner and safer option than trying to do an aftermarket retrofit. Or you could just install some sound damping material in the vibe pump machine's case, like I just did with my Anita. The results are surprisingly good. You can reduce the noise to only a fraction of what it was before with some strategically placed Dynamat.

[multigl]

I thought there was going to be a rotary pump version of the double boiler machine in a few months. Why not just wait for that model? It's bound to be a cleaner and safer option than trying to do an aftermarket retrofit. Or you could just install some sound damping material in the vibe pump machine's case, like I just did with my Anita. The results are surprisingly good. You can reduce the noise to only a fraction of what it was before with some strategically placed Dynamat.

waiting isn't fun

[MoBak]

I thought there was going to be a rotary pump version of the double boiler machine in a few months. Why not just wait for that model?

There is no rotary pump version until 18 months from now. That is what the Danish dealers have been told from VBM.

[coffeeBean]

...18 month really? my dealer said next month
and why not? at the moment he sell the dual boiler with vibe. and the domobar super with "rotary" pump (original from vbm).
i talked with vbm italy personally and they told me, the next offer is the dual boiler with direct water connect (the last version)

@multigl:
yes, my dealer told me for 350 EUR more, he build a rotary pump in. (he said it's the same price, how the super with rotary and maybe like the dual boiler!)


.....sorry for my bad english

[Gregg K]

Check out this Youtube I just ran into-

It's pretty poor quality video, but anything that will calm me in my anxious anticipation is good.