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Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by chris on Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:35 pm

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We have had such good results from Quick Mill on all of our Espresso Machine projects that we decided to ask them to build a grinder for us. There are things about several of the grinders on the market today that customers continued to find fault with and complain about in various forums.

Doserless but not stepless adjustment
Needs two hands to operate
Difficult to clean out chute
Too expensive
Too big

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This grinder is:

Doserless with stepless worm gear adjustments
Made of high grade stainless steel
One hand operation, simply press the portafilter up against the button under the spout to grind and pull it away to stop
We had it made with a flap over the spot so you can lift it up and clean out any coffee easily
Has a 120 watt 800 RPM motor
49 mm flat burrs
It's only 15 3/4" tall
And it sells for $275.00

As always we provide a one-year parts and labor warranty on this grinder and our no hassle buyers remorse, if you do not like the grinder you can send it back for a refund.

THIS IS NOT A MAZZER OR A MACAP AND WE DO NOT CLAIM IT TO BE BY ANY MEANS, SIMPLY A VERY GOOD REASONABLY PRICED DOSERLESS GRINDER WITH STEPLESS ADJUSTMENT.
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by JonR10 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:45 am

Looks cool!
I would consider a grinder like this (if I didn't already have so many grinders!)
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by miKe mcKoffee on Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:44 pm

Excellent chute design! (And will the chute assembly be available for parts purchase separately? Wondering if it could be made to fit a Mazzer SJ...) Any pics of the burrs and burr carrier? What's the grind rpm? This could be an excellent entry level espresso grinder.
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by houdina on Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:43 pm

Dan
How about testing one of these out and letting us know how well it works?
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by HB on Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:00 pm

Good suggestion, but first I'd like to hear what HB members have to say. Chris offered a discount for members and I encourage them to post their impressions to this thread. With the micro adjustment and easily cleaned chute, it is worth considering as an alternative to the Rocky doserless. For those who believe one is never enough, the footprint is especially good for a second / decaf grinder.
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:53 am

HB wrote:Good suggestion, but first I'd like to hear what HB members have to say. Chris offered a discount for members and I encourage them to post their impressions to this thread. With the micro adjustment and easily cleaned chute, it is worth considering as an alternative to the Rocky doserless. For those who believe one is never enough, the footprint is especially good for a second / decaf grinder.


i ordered one yesterday, and will post a review as soon as it comes.. im pretty excited, hoping it meets my needs where my tranquilo drops off :)
(floating zero point and stepped grinds having too big a gap are the biggest)
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Review time!

Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:00 am

Well, the grinder arrived today, as well as my float kit and filter, so its been a loong day of espresso related work :D

1st Day Review: (im comparing it to what I currently have, a cunill tranquilo doserless)

Out of the box, its small, and its shiney. I couldnt believe what a small footprint it had! The chrome certainly catches your eye, and despite its small size, it didnt feel cheap, but quite solid.

Hopper
First impression of the the hopper is that it seemed a bit flimsy. The sliding stopper didnt impress me. Where my tranquilo has it connected completely through the hopper spout, this slider just sort of floats through one end. It doesnt come out b/c its cut out and tabbed on the inner end, and it does do its job and holds the beans if you remove the hopper, so I guess it doesnt matter from a functional standpoint. The blue color of the hopper is nice, but I think a more square design would complement the overall machine style better. The inner lip is similar to the tranquilo's; it doesnt fit 'into' the cylinder (sorry i dont know all the technical terms), so a few beans get stuck on the sides. No big deal, its only 2-3 beans, and the hopper pulls right off and in they fall. The hopper works pretty well, almost all the beans fall right in, and the few that stick to the bottom slide in with a slight tap on the side of the hopper. Better than than the tranquilo, which tends to get beans stuck in the slider spout, and you have to unscrew the slider from the hopper to dislodge all the beans. Yet another reason why this 'flimsy' slider works well.

Adjustment
The adjustment knob is ok. I think a bigger knob would make it easier to use. (I jammed my thumb this past week, which prevents me from my usual manhandlng of everything, so I notice these types of things more).

The machine edges, while finished nicely, seem to have a bit too much edge on them, and because the adjustment knob is so close to the edge, while adjusting the zero point, I cut my finger. To prove my lack of manhandling, my wife did as well, which is another reason I think a bigger knob, which will set it further away from the side edge, would help. Of course cleaning all the edges by rounding and smoothing them is another option, but im sure much more expensive!

My initial grind produced an amazingly clump free result. I was really impressed with the consistency of the grind, and the ease with which it flowed out of the spout. In the same breath, this grind was also my biggest problem. It was much too coarse for espresso. I had the knob cranked as tight as it would go, which was interestingly at the zero mark, and the I was getting 10 second pulls which felt more like sand than powder.

I called chriscoffee and a tech walked me through how to adjust the burrs more. You have remove the front panel of the machine to access 2 setscrews on the upper burr set. This allows the burrs to zero closer together. There are 2 screws at the bottom, one in the back, and 2 that hold the spout in place. Once opened, you have to remove the adjustment collar, held by one screw, and there are 2 set screws in the upper burr set which need to be backed out. These prevent you from going too fine and damaging the burrs. Good failsafe I guess. I managed to back the screws up enough to get a nice grind, but its a bit more noisy now with nothing in the machine, so I hope the burrs arent eating themselves alive. My new 'zero', and ideal espresso grind range is now between 0 and 6, so like a -6.5. The numbers are pretty funny, because for espresso, youll never go out of a 1 number range. They could have been a bit more wide with the numbering system, like 0-50, so the gap between your zero point and your next marking isnt so pointless. Then again, once dialed in to a certain range, the minute changes dont really need to be 'marked'.

Now that its adjusted, zeroed, and assembled, time for another test. I had my tranquilo next to it, did a typical grind from it (6 over my zero), and one from the quickmill. Nice match, and the shot came out perfectly! Time to grind was 25-30 seconds, a bit less than my tranquilo. Less time is always good!

With some fine tuning and using the stepless feature, I can make such small adjustments that I can actually get my espresso shots to range with ± 1 second of each other!! Steps between my tranquilo would give me 5+ seconds on some days. Very frustrating on those weird humid days when nothing wants to work well.

Grinding and Dosing
This is an impressively clean machine! With my tranquilo, after each grind I would have to open the funnel, sweep the chute, sweep the funnel insides, sweep around the grinder since the static causes some of the swept grinds to fly out and around, etc.

With the quickmill, I use my dosing device (the bottom half of a water bottle..hehe), hold it in my hand and use the back of my hand to press the grind button, and it goes from the chute right into the container. Dosing right into a PF gets a bit messy once its about 2/3 full, so I prefer to grind into a container, and flush while doing so. There is NO mess. I tap the top of the chute cover when its done, a few grinds fall from the top of the chute, and im done. It really is that simple. No more cleaning! No more sweeping!! That alone fills my anal retentive needs!

Grinding is good, with minimal clumping, and extreme consistency. Noise isnt bad. I thought with the size and all the metal it would be noisy, but its not any louder than the tranquilo, and may be even slightly more quiet.

Final Impressions
After one day of use, this is an impressive little machine! I've included some pics next to the tranquilo so you can see what a small footprint it has. The polished steel is of course a great complement to my espresso machine, its grinds very consistently with only a small amount of clumping on fine grinds, (the clumping isnt an issue to me since I grind into a container and shake it) and the zero mess makes my shot process that much quicker!

I'll be testing it out even more over the next few days, and any major items to note will be posted here.

Hope this helps everyone!

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by luca on Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:18 pm

Chris, could you please clone yourself and set up a business downunder? I'm getting might sick of seeing all of these awesome machines in the northern hemisphere ...
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:05 pm

just a quick update on a few more days of use. im wondering if my backing out the setscrews has caused the burrs to touch. with the tranquilo its blatently obvious, and when the machine is off, you can almost lock them together by tightening. with the quickmill, it sounds as if they are touching, but the grind is where i need it to be, and i can continue to tighten it, so maybe that much 'touching resistance' isnt there. (this is with an empty hopper, btw) Assuming this is the sound of them rubbing, its a much different sound than the tranquilo, sort of hollow, which could be from the smaller burr size.

the edges are starting to get on my nerves. adjusting the grind has me slicing my finger almost every time, and i dont have big hands. in addition, if you use your fingers to wipe grinds off the bottom plate, the side edges, which sit higher than the middle plate, are also a bit sharp and can cut you. they arent tight against the middle plate, so i guess some runaway grinds are getting inside the machine. it would have been smart to overlap the other way, with the middle plate over the top of the sides, so its easier to wipe and no worry of grinds getting into the machine.

finally, finer grinds tend to get stuck in the chute. a bit of a knock on the side of the chute during operation, and a small screwdriver or paperclip stuck up it after grinding clears it out well. dont open the hatch though during grinding, it will spray!

anything else, ill be back!

ps- anyone else grab this thing? id love to hear others comments..
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:50 pm

i thought id add some pics. dont know if they will help anyone but maybe we can have some of the seasoned members comment on the grind.. to me it looks just as good as the tranquilo, which i assume is nice for the home user :)

first pic is right out of the chute into a container
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next we have it dumped into the PF
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this is ready to rock
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the pour. dont mind the single basket. this is my 4th for the day!
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and the end result. not bad i guess
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ok, sorry, i whored some pics.. ive never done that before :D
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by HB on Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:12 pm

LeoZ wrote:i dont know if they will help anyone but maybe we can have some of the seasoned members comment on the grind...

Pictures capture the clumpiness of the grind in the extreme cases, but otherwise aren't that useful. Here's a few from the writeup Mazzer Mini E Doserless, Type A & Type B:

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Modified doserless Super Jolly, Mazzer Mini E, and Mazzer Robur (click to enlarge)

Yours shows some signs of clumping, similar to the Mini E doserless. And of course the other extreme:

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:20 pm

HB wrote:Pictures capture the clumpiness of the grind in the extreme cases, but otherwise aren't that useful. Here's a few from the writeup

Yours shows some signs of clumping, similar to the Mini E doserless.



the same results at only half the footprint and cost :D
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by TimEggers on Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:51 pm

Wow it's nice to be back on HB. Since my SMP grinder is shot I haven't even used my Gaggia Coffee Deluxe at all. I am shopping for a new grinder (you may have seen my post on CG) and a member there was kind enough to point me to Chris' grinder discussed here.

Chris a few quick questions:

How much longer will the coupon code above be good for? I hope for just a while longer as I'm not quite there yet in my grinder fund.

Also what kind of feedback (besides that offered here) have you been getting about the grinder?

Looks to be exactly like what I have been looking for...more or less a stepless Rocky doserless! Thank you so much for bringing this machine to life, I hope to possibly be a proud owner some day VERY SOON! Also thank you for supporting both CoffeeGeek and HB!
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by jchamb on Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:23 pm

I just got my grinder 2 days ago, so I haven't time for a long time test - but I've run a LOT of shots through it in those two days (I bought it along with the Alexia).

Frankly, I love it! It looks great next to my espresso machine, and is suprisingly heavy for such a small footprint grinder. My previous grinder was a Solis, so I don't have any Rocky's or Mazzers to compare it to. It beats my old grinder by a mile though.

I tried dosing into the portafilter, but I'm just not very good at it. I dose into a small juice glass then dump the grounds into my portafilter. It is a very nice and quick one-handed operation though, very easy. This grinder is QUIET, it barely makes a sound when empty. If quality could be determined by sound, then this would win hands down - apparently the parts are so well fitted that it just makes a little hum after it's finished grinding.

I tried adjusting it a number of times and find that the adjustment knob is easy to use - right up front and it turns smoothly and easily. My machine did't have any sharp edges - unfinished perhaps, but not sharp. I certainly couldn't manage to cut myself on it (although I tried).

The grind seems to be nice and even, and after playing with the adjusting knob a bit it was easily set to "zero" (which is just at the fully clockwise position on mine). With my extremely poor dosing and tamping I get single shots right at 20 seconds.

New grinder, new espresso machine, it will take me awhile to get used to everything and get it perfect (but I'm looking forward to the fun).

I'm very happy and very impressed with this grinder!

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by TimEggers on Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:18 pm

Hello again, a few more quick questions...

Are the burrs easy to remove for replacement?

Where can replacement burrs be purchased?

Are the burrs the same as other Quickmill grinders?

Has/can anyone compare this to a Rocky Doserless in more detail?

How is the grind setting "locked in" to avoid grind drift (if applicable)?

Anyone notice a change in zero point when changing grind setting for different brewing methods?

Any chance of getting a model name because "Doserless Stepless Espresso Grinder" is a lot to type? :wink:



Also I thank you leo/jchamb for your informative and descriptive reviews. The Quickmill is the new kid on the block and I am anxious to see how she holds up against the other more established grinders available. All in all a very exciting time and really a new and great option in this price range.

Many thanks to all! My grinder fund is sooooo close now! :D
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by cybercoffee on Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:50 pm

How does this look next to one of the quickmill machines. Andreja for instance?? Is it designed to sit next to it and have the same profile? Does it work being close like that or do you want them separated by 6-12 inches.

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:28 pm

not a quickmill machine, but the combo looks pretty nonetheless :D
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by jchamb on Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:44 pm

Here is my grinder sitting next to my Quick Mill Alexia (just a bit narrower than the Andreja). I didn't have to separate them, that's just what works best for me.

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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by LeoZ on Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:00 pm

if your 'made in italy' sticker is in the same place as mine, you grind a LOT more coarse than i do...
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Link to "Quickmill doserless grinder with stepless adjustment"by IMAWriter on Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:20 pm

jchamb wrote:
I tried dosing into the portafilter, but I'm just not very good at it. I dose into a small juice glass then dump the grounds into my portafilter. It is a very nice and quick one-handed operation though, very easy. This grinder is QUIET, it barely makes a sound when empty. If quality could be determined by sound, then this would win hands down - apparently the parts are so well fitted that it just makes a little hum after it's finished grinding.

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(my .02 worth)

Hey...you could dose using the WDT...Weiss Distribution Technique....(the cut to size yogurt cup inserted into your basket so grind falls in neatly, then just stir...
Would someone please post that link...I'm not real good at that stuff.
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