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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by annp on Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:47 pm

And I just spent the last 3 hours playing with her and burning through rather a lot of milk and about 3/4 of a pound of beans.

I have to say that I'm really impressed with Chris' packing. Plus Anita was very easy to remove from the outer and inner box. Having some water test strips included to verify what I'd already determined by taste and smell was useful and thoughtful.

Setting Anita up next to Rocky on the kitchen counter was a revelation. Rocky used to dwarf my Saeco, now it's the other way around. Heck, Anita makes the microwave look small. If I'd got a bigger machine I'd have been banished to the bike room with it.

Handling Anita's portafilters, baskets, parts - it's clear that the Saeco was just a toy and this is the real deal.

I'm so glad I printed out all of Dan's suggested reading and read it prior to her arrival and brought the whole binder-clipped bundle down to the machine. It is simply amazing how sensitive Anita is to tiny variables in grind and dosage.

I totally get it now why Rocky's stepped grind adjustment is inferior to some of the nicer grinders. I still don't quite have the grind thing exact. Seems like one click is too slow of a pull and another is too fast. I used the timer as a guide but mostly watched the pull and tasted it.

I am glad though, I have a small scale and I've been using it to dose. Oddly enough, the 18 grams that worked in the Saeco seems to be a nice consistent double with Anita. I tried varying dosage by 1/2 to a full gram when trying to dial in grind and it seemed that the magic weight is 18.

The bottomless portafilter is just the best. I am so glad I got that thing, even if I'm just doing doubles in it right now. One thing that the non pressurized portafilter I got for the Saeco and the 2 months I spent playing with it did was teach me some good dosing skills. This was evident when watching my shots extract. I can tamp nicely.

Again, I really appreciated the information on doing a cooling flush on my machine. I'd still like to have some sort of temp verification in the group head - but I'll trust what Dan says. I wish the instructions from Chris had included information about the flush though, that's the only thing they were really lacking in my opinion.

Water is not the easiest thing to manage. Someone, somewhere had suggested furniture slides for the little rubber feet to facilitate turning a machine around to add water on one's counter. I got the slides before I saw Anita and I'm glad I did. I do have to steady her when putting the portafilter in and ultimately I think I need a cork or ping pong ball and a funnel instead of turning here 90 degrees for filling. And fill I did, but then again I went through 3/4 lb of coffee today.

Yes, I did the portafilter wiggle between shots and also backflushed the machine with water when my session was done. Thank you all who made cleaning suggestions.

Lastly, microfoam is mine! I got perfect microfoam first time out. Then I struggled with slightly stiffer stuff a couple of more times, then tried to recreate my first try by adding a little whole milk to the 2% and increasing my volume of milk slightly. It gets up to temp so fast, so much faster than the Saeco. I'll need to change the order I do things, coffee first, than milk. At least Anita has steam and pressure to spare.

Anyway, today was a lot of data to absorb. Anita is on a timer to wake up at 6:00 am tomorrow, I'll see how I do when I get up at 6:30.

Thanks all of you for your help.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by coffeacanephora on Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:03 pm

We will have to share experiences.....so far...it rocks!!! :D :D :D
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WAS>She's on her way<.......NOW She's arrived!

Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:59 am

The Anita that is! Should be here tomorrow! I've never pulled a shot in my life! Or steamed milk!

So, I've got a lot to learn to say the least. I actually feel like I know what I'm doing as I've spent I-don't-know how-many-hours on this and other websites just researching and learning. Should be a looooong fun process.

Ordered from Chriscoffee of course and they threw in some of their espresso blend. That's good cuz I don't have any roasted up right now. Also ordered some cups and beans from Sweetmarias. Won't be here until next week though.

So just want to say thanks to everyone here for all the great help I've received. I'm sure I will be posting more than ever now though.. :lol: .

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by Cathi on Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:17 pm

Congrats Ron! You've ordered a great machine. You be pulling great shots in no time. There are lots of Anita owners here who will be glad to try and help you navigate any bumps in the road, so to speak.

I had some of Chris' Coffee (Black Pearl?) and really enjoyed it. The draw back was you had to order a minimum of 2 pounds which is a lot for me. I may give it another try and freeze most of it. I'll be interested to read your thoughts.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by marko16 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:19 pm

Like with all beauties, if you are having problems, you are to blame. Always and forevermore, and I guarantee Anita will always be better than me.

Cathi, don't freeze your coffee. Anita says "no", and no cat fights allowed.
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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:19 pm

Well I just pulled my first two shots using Black Pearl from ChrisCoffee. All I can say is I have a huge learning curve.

I don't even know where to start. Lets see....I don't know..

1. What an espresso grind even looks like..

2. How hard I'm tamping with the crappy plastic tamper that seems waaaaay too small for the PF..

3. How to really do the HX flush thing....

4. How to use erics's digital therm to my advantage...

5. How to tell when I should stop the shot...

6. What a real shot of espresso even tastes like...

7. How to steam milk...

I'm sure I could go on and on....

Now I will say I have a vague idea on how to do all of the above from reading so much on this site and others. I know it's going to take many shots and lots of hours of practice to get a decent shot of espresso, and many more hours of learning to steam milk.

Rant off...very tired..

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by Bex on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:50 pm

Some tips, one noob to another! I've been learning on a Carezza, but funding is officially here to pick up Anita + Max Hybrid next week! When that happens, we can compare notes, but until then, here's what I know from using my Carezza and voraciously reading everything about the Quickmill machines that I can get my eyes on.


1. What an espresso grind even looks like..


If you need to see it, there are good shots in the grinder forum and the Bench's Titan Grinder threads. But don't worry about that....take your grinder to zero (finest setting), then go up from there based on the results you get when you pull shots (see: question 5 below).

2. How hard I'm tamping with the crappy plastic tamper that seems waaaaay too small for the PF..


Throw it away. Buy a real 58mm tamper immediately. Makes a big difference. I suggest an Espro since it makes a subtle click when you hit 30 pounds - however, I have not used one and you can also just use a bathroom scale under the PF.

3. How to really do the HX flush thing....


Since you have the thermometer, don't worry about flushing by ear right now. Go to erics' threads about how to use the thermometer. I haven't used it, but when I get my machine, I plan to try the "flush to 196, then pull shot when the thermometer is back to 207" method.

4. How to use erics's digital therm to my advantage...


See above.

5. How to tell when I should stop the shot...


Right now, focus on getting 1.7 ounces from a double in 25-27 seconds. Keep your temperature conditions the same, and adjust your grind from the zero setting mentioned above until you are getting this amount in this time.

6. What a real shot of espresso even tastes like...


Strong. But without unpleasing/harsh bitter or sour notes. Either of these means something is going wrong.

7. How to steam milk...


Check out the videos on the site - I recommend Dan's video in the Alexia buyers guide. But the short of it for noobs like us is: put the wand a little under the surface of the milk - the sound should be akin to paper tearing. When the temp gets to 100 degrees or the side of the pitcher gets uncomfortably warm, fully submerge the wand's steam tip into the milk, stop when the temp hits 160 or the sides are too hot to handle & there's a roaring sound coming from the milk. Achieving microfoam is hard and I can't reliably do it, but basic steaming without getting dishsoap bubbles isn't really hard at all.
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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:01 pm

I did order the Bumper tamper but it shipped a day late as they were out of stock. Should be here tommorrow or Monday depending on how they shipped it.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by mhoy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:18 pm

I too am learning, here is what I do with my Anita.

Warm up the machine for at least 45 minutes with portafilter attached.

When warm,
* Take off the portafilter, dry it out with a clean cloth.
* Lift lever to flush water through the group head, notice the bubbles and steam. Let a couple more ounces come through, then stop.
* fill portafilter to the top, level with edge of knife, press with tamper, wipe off loose grounds.
* lock into group head
* grab stopwatch, lift lever and start timing when the espresso starts to flow into your measuring glass.

Compare against suggested time of 25-35 seconds for xx oz.
Adjust the grinder finer for slower, etc.

Cheers,
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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by mhoy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:31 pm

annp wrote:Water is not the easiest thing to manage. Someone, somewhere had suggested furniture slides for the little rubber feet to facilitate turning a machine around to add water on one's counter. I got the slides before I saw Anita and I'm glad I did. I do have to steady her when putting the portafilter in and ultimately I think I need a cork or ping pong ball and a funnel instead of turning here 90 degrees for filling. And fill I did, but then again I went through 3/4 lb of coffee today.

I have my Anita beside the sink which also has a small water filter for drinking water. (I'll be adding a water softening cartridge next week).

I attach a plastic hose to the 'facet' put the other end in Anita's tanks and fill. Then detach the hose. When we re-do the kitchen, plumbing it in is tempting...

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:50 pm

This is weird. I started a thread called She's arrived!, talking about the Anita. Somehow my thread and annp's thread have gotten combined. If things look a little out of order well now you know why.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by HB on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:51 pm

Since Mark resurrected an old thread on the same topic as Ron's, I took the opportunity to merge them.

rferoni wrote:I don't even know where to start.

The FAQs and Favorites Digest has recommended reading; the reviews include a writeup on Anita's sibling, the Andreja Premium.

rferoni wrote:Lets see....I don't know..

Q1. What an espresso grind even looks like..
A1. Actually I pay attention to what it feels like.

Q2. How hard I'm tamping with the crappy plastic tamper that seems waaaaay too small for the PF..
A2. A decent tamper is worth owning.

Q3. How to really do the HX flush thing....
A3. The FAQ and How-Tos covers this is gory detail.

Q4. How to use erics's digital therm to my advantage...
A4. The FAQ and How-Tos covers this is gory detail.

Q5. How to tell when I should stop the shot...
A5. See When did this espresso extraction go blond?

Q6. What a real shot of espresso even tastes like...
A6. Depends on the blend. It should be balanced, in the same way a good dark chocolate balances sweet and bitter flavors.

Q7. How to steam milk...
A7. See the Andreja Premium review as well as the articles linked from the Resources page.
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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:10 am

So I'm giving up....until later this week :D . I'm waiting for my order of Monkey and Liquid Amber from SM. Right now I have about 3/4lb. left over of the Black Pearl that Chris sent with the Anita. Before I blow thru the rest of it I'm going to wait until my Bumper Tamper gets here(shipped out a day later as it wasn't in stock when the Anita went out)and I get my cups/coffee from SM.

So far I've pulled about 6-7 shots, all crap. To be expected I know. Does lead me to some questions though.

Every shot is consistenly reading about 10.2 bar. Is this too high or should I worry about getting other variables worked out first?

My first shots consisted of 15gms. coffee tamped with the plastic tamper. These shots were horrible and the puck was a wet soppy mess. I went with 15gms as this seems to be a good starting point according to this site. BUT, also according to this site and seeing many posted video's it shows many people just filling the PF, leveling off and tamping. I tried this way and the coffee measured around 19-20gms. So it seems as though there is some contradiction here. I will say though that these latter shots were more 'espresso like' than the previous shots and puck actually looked like a solid puck. I'm still uner/overextracting for sure and need also to work on my grind.

I have read and re-read extensively on this site and will continue to do so. No doubt this site has helped me tremendously(thanks!). The whole espresso process reminds me of working with engineers(no offense to you engineers out there!). What works on paper doesn't usually work 100% in practice. Meaning I can know what to do by following instructions, but putting those instructions to practice is a different story!

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by mgwolf on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:37 am

Ron,
Most people have settled on 9-9.5 bars for the Anita (blank), instructions are in the FAQ section on Chris' web site. Easy to adjust. You probably won't notice any difference from 10 bars until the rest of it falls into place. Just set it and leave it alone for 6 months. Plan on burning through many pounds of coffee at the beginning until you figure stuff out. While you're waiting for your tamper to arrive, look at this link -- one of the best ones I've seen for figuring out the forest from the trees:

dialing-in-new-espresso-machine-step-by-step-guide-t3113.html

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by TimEggers on Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:29 am

Hi Ron,

Hang in there, it can be a bit to get it dialed in but it's worth it.

Are you doing a cooling flush? Before pulling a shot (if the machine has been idle) you have to draw water thorough the brew group to cool it down to brewing temperatures. Remember that the boiler is kept at steaming temperatures the water in the HX circuit (which runs through the boiler) will overheat.

Did you install the e61 thermometer attachment? If so depending on what you boiler gage reads I would flush until the thermometer reads 190F, then stop. The readout should then rebound to about 201F then as the group stabilizes (the fresh water cools the hot metal of the brewgroup) the readout will slowly drop 1F-3F degrees in which time I pull the shot. If you don't have the thermometer attachment try drawing about 8-ounces through he group, then wait about 10-30 seconds before pulling the shot. My Anita requires this even at 1.25-bar boiler pressure.

Dosing is really up to you; do you have a bottomless portafilter? Lower doses will requite a slightly finer grind. In my experience the Anita does fine in most any dose range I've tried (except for 21g+ but who doses this high)?

Brew pressure seems just fine, I like mine at 10 bar. Its makes for a great triple ristretto. If you want you could bring it down a bit but I wouldn't do that just yet, not until you get the machine figured out. If you don't have a full sized 58mm tamper this can be a big part of your issues too. The new tamper will help immensely.

Here is one of my recent shots. It's pulled at 198F (per thermometer attachment) at 10-bar. I overfilled the triple Synesso Basket then leveled and tamped. I like a convex tamper, as it seems to work better for me with triples. I employ a pretty simple basket preparation technique (grind, dose, level, tamp, pull). You could try the WDT; it can be a big help when working with a new machine or a doserless grinder.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:26 pm

Tim,

I do have the digital thermometer in the group. I think right now my problem is 1.grind 2. tamp pressure.

That goes for the first shot anyway. For doing shots consecutively how do you manipulate the flush/temperature?

I know I need a 'rea' tamper, should be here tommorrow. I will then try again. Didn't even fire her up today as I don't want to waste the Black Pearl using that plastic tamper. I did however make some press pot coffee with it. Was absolutely delicious!

I watched your shot, isn't 55 seconds waaay over what 'they' reccommend for pulling a good shot or is that how a triple ristretto is pulled?

Thanks for the help, I know I'll need much more.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by TimEggers on Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:54 pm

rferoni wrote:Tim,

I do have the digital thermometer in the group. I think right now my problem is 1.grind 2. tamp pressure.

That goes for the first shot anyway. For doing shots consecutively how do you manipulate the flush/temperature?

I know I need a 'rea' tamper, should be here tommorrow. I will then try again. Didn't even fire her up today as I don't want to waste the Black Pearl using that plastic tamper. I did however make some press pot coffee with it. Was absolutely delicious!

I watched your shot, isn't 55 seconds waaay over what 'they' reccommend for pulling a good shot or is that how a triple ristretto is pulled?

Thanks for the help, I know I'll need much more.

Ron


Hi Ron,

I find the "golden rules" to be quite flexible. Follow your tongue. The shot above tasted like sweet melted chocolate and had a crema that was very light and fluffy. One of the better shots I've made in quite a while. Once you get the tamper practice good distribution and then taste the espresso. Times will vary, follow your tongue.

For consecutive shots I simply read the thermometer attachment and pull at my desired temperature. Typically the group is ready by the time I have the portafilter ready to go. The long flushing should be needed if the machine sits idle for a while after a shot. The thermometer attachment is a real great tool to have for sure.

Here is another successful espresso shot: (sorry its blurry, I had the camera too close, but you can still get the general idea)

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:43 pm

It's me again(the noob). Got some questions...

I guess I'm still not sure if my shots are any good or not. I seem to be having trouble pulling the 1.5-2oz. shot in 25-30 seconds. The timing of which does start with the flip of the lever, right?

I either seem to grind to fine and only get barely an ounce, or it pours too quickly(and blonds early). Using homeroasted Monkey blend and Liquid amber from Sweet Marias.

Pstat is at 1.2 bar and brew pressure gauge reads a little over 10 while pulling a shot. I believe the Anita is set at 10bar.

Some shots I've pulled have looked great going by all I've learned on this site. Thick syrupy pours, striping, etc. Some have been close to the 'golden rules of espresso'. Not being an espresso aficionado though I'm not sure how the shots are turning out. They are a bit harsh for me to drink straight, but I do like them with a bit of half and half. I also just made an americano( I added about 1.5 oz. water to a 1oz. shot) that tasted pretty good.

Another question is that everyone seems to use between 15-18 gms. coffee. I've been using 16gms which leaves a TON of headspace in the Rancilio bottomless pf after tamping. Just seems like alot of headspace, though I don't know how much if any is too much.

...just noob random thoughts...any advice greatly appreciated.

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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by TimEggers on Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:00 pm

Hi Ron,

I know exactly what you're going through. I think everyone new to home espresso (and even times those that have experience) go through it too. I have some thoughts that may help and I hope you'll consider:

First consider using the double basket that came with your Anita. I much prefer this basket to the triple LM style flat-sided basket (the one that comes with the Rancilio bottomless portafilter from Chris). I myself have just not had good luck with the LM style basket. If you are dead set on making triples (and hey I love triples myself) order the Synesso style basket. It is shaped much like the traditional double basket of the Anita. In my experience it is more forgiving.

Also consider holding off with the home roasted beans. Recently I ordered some roasted beans from Sweet Maria's and they were excellent (far better than my best homeroasts) and very competitively priced. The best part is that you can get to know how those specific blends should taste before you try to roast them. Some of my best shots have come from their pre-roasted coffee, but my home roasts are getting closer by the batch. It wasn't until I tried the coffee pre-roasted that I was able to improve my home roasting. Don't let an off roast (I've had lots) affect your espresso making. Its one variable in a long list that you can avoid for the early parts of you home espresso journey. Shop around though many very good roasters offer their selection in green bean form too. Nonetheless I would hold off on too many home roast shots.

Your Anita seems to be set pretty good. I like mine set a little warmer (but not enough for you to worry about). If you aren't trying the WDT give it a shot it was a vital tool in my early days and to be honest I still use it when I'm having an off day (like I was today). The WDT can make things easier on you.

Aside from that it just takes practice and patience. The Anita is very capable I've had mine for just over a year now and I still have not passed (let alone approached) her potential threshold (I'm the weak link). I wish you best of luck and if you need more help or ideas please post!
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Link to "Quickmill Anita Has Arrived"by rferoni on Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:54 pm

Tim,

Of course everything you've said is spot-on. I am going to order some pre-roasted beans from a reputable source. I was trying to find a local roaster but no go here in S.E. Michigan. I was thinking of getting 5 lbs. of Black Cat to play around with. Since so many on HB have brewed this blend I figure any questions I have will be easy to answer.

Another issue I'm having is with my Major. I hate the doser and took it off long ago(though I recently put it back on and remembered I hated it). I replaced it with a homemade spout that works ok, just takes a little finesse so I don't get coffee everywhere. Today I actually tried the 2 liter bottle spout(that was your idea right?)but am getting alot of static. I like this way though and am going to try to make it work. I do however have an idea to make a funnel similar to the MM. It's just a matter of getting the time.

I want to thank you for all the advice you and everyone else have given me. I do know it will take alot of practice time to understand everything and get a technique down.

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