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Probat Sample Roaster

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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Fullsack on Wed May 28, 2008 10:49 am

This little guy has a bad rep in the industry. The roaster is good, the way you are told to use it isn't. Instructions from Probat recommend loading a 100 gram batch at 400 degrees. That gives you about 2 minutes to the first crack, not ideal. The second recommendation is to roast by airflow rather than gasflow. Didn't work for me, many possible airflow combinations came out tasting odd.

Here is what did work: Load at 200 to 250 degrees, set the gasflow level at 2 and the airflow at the mark on the airflow rod, roast for about 3 1/2 minutes, (until the temp is around 330), then drop the gasflow to 1. At the first crack drop the gasflow to the pilot setting, about 7 1/2 to 8 minutes into the roast. Total roast time is 11:30-12:00. Keep a close eye on the Fluke during the period between the first and second cracks, you may need to kick it up a bit to prevent stalling. With this gas roaster, an increase in temp setting takes effect quickly.

The factory installed temp gauge is almost useless and trying to roast by eyeballing the flame level is more of a challenge than I am up to, so mods are necessary.

My Fluke K type probe mod is a bit shaky, but it works. I plan on doing something more permanent in the future, a la Ken Fox's sample roaster temp mod.

Installing a BTU gauge is a must, if you are going to roast by adjusting the gas rather than the airflow, (minute adjustments in the gas control, cause huge differences in temperature). This is a fairly simple mod and requires few parts. The challenge is finding fittings that go from metric to SAE and back to metric.

PM me, if you would like a parts list or specs on the gas gauge.

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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Jacob on Wed May 28, 2008 1:18 pm

Nice little machine 8)

Just in case you have missed this one on tonx.org: "roasting green coffee samples"

I'm going to route my bean-thermocouple through an existing 5mm hole in the axle that holds/turns the drum (I don't know if that's a possibility in your case):
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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Fullsack on Wed May 28, 2008 3:53 pm

Hadn't seen Willem's article, but he is extremely knowledgeble about roasting, I have taken a few of his classes. His article speaks about the electric sample roaster, not the gas one. Some of my theories came from his precepts, (the BTU gauge idea came from him, his concept, my design), but he and I differ in opinion on using airflow vs. gasflow to regulate roast temps on the Probat Sample roaster and also on load temps. Try both ways and see which you like the best.

I considered routing a new probe through the hole where the existing Probat probe is, but with the poor readings I had been getting from the factory installed temp gauge, I am not convinced it is a good placement.

I'll check to see, if I have the 5mm hole in the axle. Nice idea, thanks.
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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by prof_stack on Fri May 30, 2008 12:45 am

Fullsack, that's quite a lot to do for 100g of beans! What kind of energy consumption do you estimate for the 12 minute roasts, compared to home roasters like Gene, Hottop, or Behmor?

My hat's off to you for going down this road. Do you have a larger roaster planned for commercial roasting? Forgive me if this is old news, I've not been on HB for quite a while.
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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Fullsack on Sat May 31, 2008 9:32 am

Hey Norm!
Good to see you posting.
There isn't anyway I could figure the electrical consumption of the sample roaster, the office power source is a company owned transformer that runs the gravel plant. Probat claims the energy use is minimal. The gas burner on this unit is like a tiny camp stove, so my bet is the home roasters you mention, are less power efficient. Probat's fully electric sample roaster is probably a different story.

Hourly output of the sample roaster is higher than that of my HotTop. From the start of one roast, to the start of the next roast, on the sample roaster, is roughly 20 minutes. The last time I tried to do back to back to back roasts on the HotTop, I blew the fusible link.

We have a Probat L12, 12 kilo roaster. I wasn't happy with how it operated, so it is partially pulled apart for some modifications. In retrospect, the Probatino would have been a better choice.
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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Fullsack on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:28 pm

If you are dead set on roasting by airflow, then you will need a t/c placed like the one in the picture at the top. Very small movements in the airflow rod translate into a big change in temperature. The band on the airflow rod plus one eighth inch further in, is a good starting point.
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Link to "Probat Sample Roaster"by Fullsack on Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:51 pm

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