Please describe the Stockfleth's Move

[shadow745]

I've searched here and there for a good explanation of the often mentioned Stockfleth's Move. I only have slow a$$ dialup, so a video isn't going to do me much good. Could any of you please explain how to do this? Is it a very effective distribution technique? Thanks for any info. Later!

[another_jim]

PF in your left hand, bring it to your chest, and put your elbow up. Put the fleshy part below your right thumb into the basket, and put your right elbow out too. Now extend both hands away from your chest, bringing the elbows in. This gives a 180 degree rotation of you thumb pad over the grounds, and levels the puck.

[miKe mcKoffee]

PF in your left hand, bring it to your chest, and put your elbow up. Put the fleshy part below your right thumb into the basket, and put your right elbow out too. Now extend both hands away from your chest, bringing the elbows in. This gives a 180 degree rotation of you thumbpad over the grounds, and levels the puck.

Oh no!. I've been reverse Stockflething for four years. I actually use more of the index finger in counter-clockwise motion than thumb pad, but same principle.

[another_jim]

Oops, I forgot to mention that I can't for the life of me recall whether the original moves the hands in or out. However, with my geezer eyesight, getting everything set close to the vest, then pushing out, is a lot easier.

[RapidCoffee]

Oops, I forgot to mention that I can't for the life of me recall whether the original moves the hands in or out. However, with my geezer eyesight, getting everything set close to the vest, then pushing out, is a lot easier.

Stockfleth's move video shows elbows initially out, then rotated inwards. (Also a debatable tamping style - but who am I to criticize TW? )
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John

[HB]

Is it a very effective distribution technique?

It's great for a cafe production environment, but for the home barista, I believe the Weiss Distribution Technique is far superior and nearly idiot proof. When I'm striving for a perfectly even updosed extraction, I combine the two (i.e., WDT first, Stockfleth to finish rather than a level cut).

[ChrisC]

From Dan's post saying that he uses it when trying to updose, and the description given here of putting the fleshy part of the thumb into the basket, I get the feeling that this move compacts the coffee into the basket, as opposed to a simple level. I'm assuming that it's used at all because the consistency of the motion allows a consistent amount of downward pressure?

[jesawdy]

You move the pile of grinds around the center axis of the portafilter. If you do it right, you can evenly distribute, fill voids, and yes, updose with consistent compression. You can be ginger about it and not updose much if you like.

It is not a leveling technique.... you usually finish with a small pile left behind and have to level with edge of hand, pinky, finger whatever.

[Jasonian]

What about a flash-based video?

Here's a video that Chris T. of Arizona-coffee.com took of me while I was demonstrating the stockfleth's for someone.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/chris/videos/161/

edit: disregard the horrible art. It was my first time using a Vertex bowl. I got used to to-go cups, which require less foam for art.

[Fullsack]

Oh no!. I've been reverse Stockflething for four years. I actually use more of the index finger in counter-clockwise motion than thumb pad, but same principle.

I'd been using more of the index finger as well. I started using the correct method and results were not as good. I might just stay with the "mcKoffee Method."

[Jasonian]

I used to use the index finger method as well, but I found it takes more time, and is less consistent between baristas.

Then again, I guess that factor wouldn't much matter to a HB.

I never noticed a difference in quality of distribution between the two.. except that one is more easily repeatable than the other.

[RegulatorJohnson]

to me it looks like someone screwing a jar lid onto the top of the PF.

i do something a bit different.

i call it the "SPOCK-fleth" thats right you heard it here first. for all you trekkies out there the spock-fleth is a variation of the traditional stockfleth.

i dont have a big enough hand to it it the real way. so i make the "live long and prosper" sign and then do the motion. i can get some real nice even extractions using the "spock-fleth" i kind of pinch the mound between the "v" while turning. then after 2.5 turns i smooth the top like normal. i guess i like the name the most. but it is still a circular distribution similar but different enough.

you can also do the "peace-fleth" works just as well althouh the name isnt as fun.



thanks for the time.

jon