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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 9:09 am

lino wrote:I do like the idea of a simple, "modern", la peppina, or mini gaggia. I've toyed with some ideas for the simple setup.

Open boiler is ideal in my opinion. Though I would add a PID to it so that it makes temp conrol simple and precise.
If the boiler sits right over the group opening, like the MicroCimbali, then there is very little temp loss out the group.
If physical placement of the grouphead, elements, boiler size, and control sensor were "nailed", it would likely be a very stable, simple group.


To improve upon MiniGaggia with some of Peppina's features:

The group is shaped roughly like a Coca-Cola glass drinking rim side facing down.
The bottom of the Coke glass, i.e. the top of the group, protrudes into the boiler.

b o i l e r

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The top of the group (the bottom of the Coke glass) is ~11mm thick and it has a male thread around the outer perimeter onto which the piston cylinder will screw down.

The top of the group has a ring of holes drilled through it (like Peppina) for water to flow through down from the piston cylinder. At centerpoint, the underside of the group 'cap' is tapped for a small setscrew which is to hold a one-way washer in place.


SPRING

{.....P I S T O N ......}
|..............................|
O.......O........O.......O ingress water holes in piston chamber wall
|.. piston chamber...|
|..............................| Bottom of piston cylinder is female threaded to fit over group cap
|===o====o====| Male threaded brass 'group cap' with ring of port holes from piston chamber
(.....____+____...) | _|+|_ one-way washer held against underside of group cap by a set screw
( ............................) .. ^ group collar is bolted to the underside of the boiler
(G......screen........G) shower screen held in place by a gasket (G)
(.............................)

The shower screen is held in place inside the group collar with a retaining gasket rather than a set screw.

To replace the one-way valve, simply remove the shower-screen gasket and shower-screen, and voila. There exposed to view from below is the set screw and the washer.

58mm group versus 51mm: 58mm gives a shorter piston throw (shorter piston cylinder is possible) making for a slightly shorter machine. But the machine could be temperature-stable even with a smaller group because the group and boiler are integral.

The top of the group which protrudes into the boiler should be well away from the calrod. The group could be brought up to temperature with a flush, like the S1. With group heated only by contact with boiling water there'd be little or no worry of overheated group even on the un-PIDed base model.


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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 9:22 am

Is there a functional reason behind chrome-plating brass? Or is that purely aesthetic? If the latter, I'd like the group to be naked brass please.
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 9:45 am

It should be made so it's very easy for the end-user to retrofit the PID kit later on. No need to require the PID kit on the base model. The PID kit could show brew water temp above the basket too.

The boiler should have a (plugged by default) 1/8" NPT female port into which a standard threaded stem thermometer with 2.5" stem (http://www.TelTru.com) could be inserted, for those buyers who don't want the full PID kit but do want to know brew water temp. Maybe the logo could be pried off the face of the machine to reveal the port in the boiler?

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Wherethat one way washer valve is....?

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Sat May 13, 2006 2:57 pm

Mayeb the washer / valve should stay above the dispersion screen - to keep it from getting fouled with ground coffee- or did I miss-read your CAD drawing :?
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Re: Wherethat one way washer valve is....?

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 5:15 pm

mogogear wrote:Mayeb the washer / valve should stay above the dispersion screen - to keep it from getting fouled with ground coffee- or did I miss-read your CAD drawing :?


You misread it. (Unmown grass disturbing your concentration :?: )

The dispersion screen goes below the one-way washer and is held in place in the group with a gasket.
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Re: Wherethat one way washer valve is....?

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Sat May 13, 2006 9:14 pm

timo888 wrote:You misread it. (Unmown grass disturbing your concentration :?: )

The dispersion screen goes below the one-way washer and is held in place in the group with a gasket.
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Re: Wherethat one way washer valve is....?

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sun May 14, 2006 6:22 am

mogogear wrote:ALL- Righty... then!!!


Hey, not a bad imitation. :)

Happened to see Earth Girls are Easy again recently (the open-boiler Carrey).

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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Mon May 15, 2006 8:40 am

Group Cap of The Beast
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The Beast..

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Mon May 15, 2006 9:39 am



Ok, so you are also a draftsman!! nice! A couple of words that could part of the name keep bumping around in my head

LEVERAGE or Lever-AGE as in the beginning of... :wink: .

and of course from the people that supplied car airconditioning for those without car airconditioning-

ARMSTRONG

Also a thread may be needed to group those with ideas for the ARMSTRONG Consortium???
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Re: The Beast..

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Tue May 16, 2006 7:33 pm

mogogear wrote:Ok, so you are also a draftsman!! nice!


You think that's good. Take a gander at this:

Top View Piston Cylinder
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Tue May 16, 2006 7:56 pm

Is that to scale??? That is huge!!! what is the diameter across??
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Re: The Beast..

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Tue May 16, 2006 8:13 pm

timo888 wrote:You think that's good. Take a gander at this:

Top View Piston Cylinder
image: http://www.aimsdata.com/tim/espresso/beast/BeastTopViewPistonCylinder.jpg


Or is that where the kettle inserts in to the body?
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Tue May 16, 2006 8:30 pm

mogogear wrote:Is that to scale??? That is huge!!! what is the diameter across??

That was a close-up, to show the intricate detail.

If the group accepts 58mm baskets, then the diameter of the piston cylinder would be a little larger than 58mm. 58mm isn't required for temperature stability because the top of the group is integral with the boiler. But people will probably want 58mm for bigger shots and so they can have a sturdier naked portafilter.
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Tue May 16, 2006 8:38 pm

The piston cylinder extends all the way up to the lid of the boiler. When the piston is retracted, water enters the port holes and fills the chamber. There's an o-ring on the piston above the port-hole line, and a second one down almost at the end of the piston, near the group-cap.
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Ok, to heat this puppy..

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by mogogear on Tue May 16, 2006 9:06 pm

OK, more url's
screw in type heaters, some that come with adjustable thermostat 50c-250c, even with thermocouple attachment points. Then all you need is a threaed hole in the side of your boiler. some of the kettle type elements have a auto disconnect plug ejector as the LP does. ready made, if it can fit will simplify the task as opposed to custom..



http://www.asbheat.com/screw_plug_immersion_heater.html

these guys even list an espresso element

http://www.kaneta.com/index04.html

http://dovyelectricals.trade-india.com/


Now don't be mislead, these simple heaters go up to 1,500w if needed. They may not be what you want in this exact form, but with a small flange on the ends of the elements and they could be found cheaply...modified easily???

http://www.heaters.com.tw/cgi-bin/productfn/pdt_product_lst.pl?CatID=2


Disclaimer: I know you have seen all these... blah blah ... :wink:
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Re: Ok, to heat this puppy..

Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Wed May 17, 2006 6:29 pm

mogogear wrote:...screw in type heaters, some that come with adjustable thermostat 50c-250c, even with thermocouple attachment points. Then all you need is a threaed hole in the side of your boiler. some of the kettle type elements have a auto disconnect plug ejector as the LP does. ready made, if it can fit will simplify the task as opposed to custom..

Recall how, early on in my disassembly of La Peppina, I encountered the bit of metal wrapped around the heating element? Its purpose, as Lino explained, was to act as a sacrificial anode. When choosing a heating element an important consideration (if the element is immersed in water) is the relative nobility of the metal of the heating element vis-a-vis that of the boiler. You don't want the heating element to become an anode, and corrode. Do we want boiler and heating element both to be made of stainless steel?
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Thu May 18, 2006 9:02 am

Here's a front view of the group fitting up into the boiler with the group cap between piston cylinder and the top of the group.
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Sun May 21, 2006 10:26 am

The threads of the group cap, of the top of the group cylinder, and of the bottom of the piston cylinder should be metric parallel 1.5mm thread pitch, not NPT. A watertight seal is not required (they're inside the boiler) but the joints must be flush.
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Tue May 23, 2006 8:56 am

Top View of the machine. This is a quick sketch not to scale; piston cylinder would be perfectly centered.
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Link to "Peppina Marries MiniGaggia"by timo888 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:05 pm

The group cap shown earlier is a retro 'low-tech' design that uses a simple pliable washer as the one-way valve. Here is a more high-tech version of the group cap which has been tapped with holes into which modern one-way check valves (not shown) would be fitted. We want excellent water flow from the piston chamber down to the dispersion screen so there are multiple check valves to increase the total effective orifice diameter.

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