New commercial Lever espresso machines seen at recent HOST show

[gscace]

Hi:

Apparently these were seen at the recent HOST show in Milan. The 1-group is of particular interest, although it uses 220V. At 2.7 kW, the heating element should keep up with continuous steaming just fine. I don't know if these are hx or not. I'd think a 115V 1-group machine with 2000W heating element would be very cool.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/english/tot_piazza.html

-Greg

[peacecup]

Beautiful. Bezzera also makes a 1-group, I believe in 110 V:

http://www.bezzera.it/home_ing.html

No photo of the 1-group, but here is a drawing.

[Bushrod]

The Fioranzato CS looks to be perfectly sized for a kitchen. Color me interested! Maybe 1st-Line will carry them...

[Paul]

I came in here to say this looks like a rebranded izzo. see: http://www.napoliimports.com/prod.../myway/pompei.aspx

on further viewing, the gr construction looks more like san marco - (can't find a pic of an exposed gr to support my assumption, I am just going from parts diagrams. Here is a pic of a modern sm leva http://www.mokatrade.com/Products...arco/85-Leva-2.htm )

[Rocket Coffee]

Hi:

Apparently these were seen at the recent HOST show in Milan. The 1-group is of particular interest, although it uses 220V. At 2.7 kW, the heating element should keep up with continuous steaming just fine. I don't know if these are hx or not. I'd think a 115V 1-group machine with 2000W heating element would be very cool.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/english/tot_piazza.html

-Greg

In the "benefits" section it's listed as a 110V, so I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/engli...iazzasanmarco.html

I believe it uses the same group as my Victoria Arduino which is an HX.

[Paul_Pratt]

In the "benefits" section it's listed as a 110V, so I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/engli...iazzasanmarco.html

I believe it uses the same group as my Victoria Arduino which is an HX.

Is it possible to clarify a bit about the group and HX? I have been looking at the NS/VA for some time and was uncertain about the boiler. I can see the group is fixed onto the boiler and had assumed it was a regular pick-up from the boiler, but then on their parts diagram there are what looks to be pipes going to HX fittings at the bottom of the boiler. Their parts catalogue calls it a HX supply tube but no HX in the diagrams.

I just assumed they used a regular HX boiler, removed the HX and left the HX supply pipes to fill the boiler. the leva was a pick-up supply.

Hang on a minute, just checked the diagram again and the autofil is a different route so maybe it does use a HX. So in that case the pick-up tube off the back of the groups go down into the HX? Interesting.

Paul

[gscace]

Is it possible to clarify a bit about the group and HX? I have been looking at the NS/VA for some time and was uncertain about the boiler. I can see the group is fixed onto the boiler and had assumed it was a regular pick-up from the boiler, but then on their parts diagram there are what looks to be pipes going to HX fittings at the bottom of the boiler. Their parts catalogue calls it a HX supply tube but no HX in the diagrams.

I just assumed they used a regular HX boiler, removed the HX and left the HX supply pipes to fill the boiler. the leva was a pick-up supply.

Hang on a minute, just checked the diagram again and the autofil is a different route so maybe it does use a HX. So in that case the pick-up tube off the back of the groups go down into the HX? Interesting.

Paul

Paul, I can find out from Simonelli in the US if that would be convenient for you. They're a very nice bunch.

-Greg

[Rocket Coffee]

I'm not sure if these diagrams help...I scanned them from my paperwork.





#48002001 on the first image is the "Heat Exchanger Tube 2Group"

#48002010 on the second image is the "Distributer Heat Exchanger Pipe"

I hope this helps! I have to profess my ignorance on the inner workings of this machine as it relates to the HX set-up.


I would like to learn more about the routing of the HX on my machine (2 Group). I've had it set up for a little more than a month now and only opened it up once to turn the pressure down (1.2bars). I can say that I prefer the shots for the most part from it over the Synesso, Elektra MCaL or the La Scala.

[jesawdy]

I took note of that lever via some of the links in ideor's HOST thread. BTW - I'm gaa-gaa for those lever handled valves.

Here are two glimpses:

From Reg Barber's Flickr


From another Flickr set

Click the pics to go to Flickr

[luca]

Hi Paul,

I seem to remember that our local NS rep was saying that the VA machines have a HX group. I'll probably go and check them out at his showroom at some stage, but not for a few months.

Cheers,

Luca

[Dogshot]

Nice single-group machines, but they are all about the same size - huge!

I'm convinced that the ideal home machine is a full-size group spring lever. Easy maintenance, no pumps, no noise, no solenoids; just great body and flavour. I don't really hanker for an upgrade from what I have right now - but if Kees made a 1-group PID'd Idrocompresso, I'd probably have a hard time staying away from it.

[CK]

I came in here to say this looks like a rebranded izzo. see: http://www.napoliimports.com/prod.../myway/pompei.aspx

on further viewing, the gr construction looks more like san marco - (can't find a pic of an exposed gr to support my assumption, I am just going from parts diagrams. Here is a pic of a modern sm leva http://www.mokatrade.com/Products...arco/85-Leva-2.htm )

Actually the Fiorenzato and the Izzo have different groups.
Izzo developed their own group for their lever machines whilst most machines use a Rossi group,
Also the joysticks for frothing are different.
As well as the casing.

[CafSuperCharged]

I'm convinced that the ideal home machine is a full-size group spring lever. Easy maintenance, no pumps, no noise, no solenoids; just great body and flavour. [...] if Kees [van der Westen] made a 1-group PID'd Idrocompresso, I'd probably have a hard time staying away from it.

On my visit to his workshop (see Sneak peek at the all new Speedster Mk II) I talked with Kees about such a machine. The problem with the spring-loaded lever at Idrocompresso size is the forces relative to the size/weight of the one-group machine are so high the espresso machine would need to be bolted to the surface it is on or else pulling the lever would tip over the machine.
To Kees, this means he does not explore this alternative. (yes, but ... 's, not to me please)

Regards
Peter