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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:28 pm

I was a lurker, and this is my story...

Participating in a public online community is relatively new to me. I've been active in private forums within my profession (Information Technology) since the early 80s, but it never occurred to me to join Internet discussions related to my hobbies. Online forums and sites like cnn.com were essentially the same to me - read-only sources of information, opinion, and occasional distraction. Looking back on it, I suppose the vastness of the potential audience disturbed my sense of privacy. Within the confines of my employer's network, at least there were some bounds, a sense of "us".

Times changed in my profession. E-mail became a means of keeping in contact with clients, not just fellow employees. Forums for each product I worked on sprung up, though often the audience was restricted to employees and beta customers. The same sense of "us" continued. Publishing articles and then a book changed that:

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It was May 2003 when the first edition of The Java Developer's Guide to Eclipse was published. As part of the publication, our editor encouraged us to participate in online discussions of the book. I was volunteered to represent our cadre of authors on the site JavaRanch. It's logo really made me wonder how seriously these "cowpokes" could be about programming:
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For a week I logged in at least twice a day to respond to questions and critiques of our book. Sometimes I was up quite late. As the week worn down, I was starting to enjoy the open community atmosphere and decided to poke a little fun at the "sheriff" who had reviewed our book. He said "If your only goal is to use Eclipse then you don't need this book. If your desire is to write plugins then I wouldn't even try without it."

I'll be honest, the first sentence of his review's closing comment really ticked me off. Taking advantage of the campiness of the JavaRanch, I wrote a rebuttal: Dastardly Dan is calling out the Sheriff! Point by point I enumerated why I thought the Sheriff was wrong, concluding with a grin:

Dastardly Dan wrote:And notice that nowhere did I stoop to calling you a yellow-bellied stinkin' liar. :wink: Now off to find the nearest saloon and get rip roarin' drunk. There surely must be some cattle to rustle in these here parts...

This odd moment was a turning point in the development of my "online persona". Mentally I bridged the notion that online communication wasn't just about getting my professional job done, it could extend to enrich my interests outside of work. I suppose one downside of this revelation is that I spend so much time online en totale there should be a law against it. But that's another story, and another entry for Overextracted.

By typical forum standards, HB has a small registered community. From what I've read in the phpBB forums (the software upon which this site is based), around 5000-6000 members is considered small-medium, medium is around 15000, and large can be really, really large (the largest I know of is gaia online with over four million members to-date). Lurkers make up a silent part of this community. There's two types of lurkers: Those that are "guests" and those that are non-posting members. I was in the former category for many years and didn't join the posting membership of any public community until 2003.

Asking someone who's a lurker why they lurk is like asking a shy person why they're shy - you're not likely to get much of an answer. As for me, I wanted to write down my delurker story before I forgot the details...
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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:28 pm

PS: Some of the HB features lurkers never see...

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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:43 pm

Another feature available to HB members -- unread posts are remembered for up to sixty days. Members can also explicitly mark a topic as unread by selecting this button next to each post:

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Link to "Lurkers"by Ken Fox on Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:49 pm

HB wrote:Another feature available to HB members -- unread posts are remembered for up to sixty days. Members can also explicitly mark a topic as unread by selecting this button next to each post:


Yeah, Dan, but we didn't read them the first time for a reason!

I think lurkers are weenies who are too concerned about having their posts criticized so they take the easy way out by not posting anything.

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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:01 pm

Ken Fox wrote:Yeah, Dan, but we didn't read them the first time for a reason!

Funny guy. You can always select Mark all forums read. I installed this modification for my own selfish reasons -- too little time to read new posts in one sitting. Since unread posts were reset on logout, I would forget about ones I didn't have time to read.

I think lurkers are weenies who are too concerned about having their posts criticized so they take the easy way out by not posting anything.

As I mentioned above, that wasn't my reason. It was mostly the lack of perceived privacy. Now that I'm easily google-able, it doesn't matter...

Still, it's a weird feeling when total strangers know who I am because of the book (not that it happens very often). On even rarer occasions, somebody recognizes me because of this site or my role as moderator on CoffeeGeek.com. As if that wasn't weird enough, their first words are usually "Hi Dan, it's great to meet you! Would you introduce me to Mark Prince?" :roll:

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Link to "Lurkers"by Ken Fox on Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:23 pm

HB wrote:As I mentioned above, that wasn't my reason. It was mostly the lack of perceived privacy. Now that I'm easily google-able, it doesn't matter...

Still, it's a weird feeling when total strangers know who I am because of the book (not that it happens very often). On even rarer occasions, somebody recognizes me because of this site or my role as moderator on CoffeeGeek.com. As if that wasn't weird enough, their first words are usually "Hi Dan, it's great to meet you! Would you introduce me to Mark Prince?" :roll:


Googling on Dan Kehn one gets 36,800 hits; at least the first page or two all seem to be you.

Googling on Ken Fox produces about 8X as many hits with none of them being me on the first two pages and only an obscure post on CG about long forgotten knockboxes on page 3 has any relevance to "this" ken fox.

Had I been smarter I would have used a pseudonym and none of them would have been for the *real* me.

Congratulations.

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Link to "Lurkers"by dgunter on Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:29 am

Hey all, I'm gonna be honest here. I've been lurking around this site for quite some time, searching for info here and there, but what really got me to sign up was the holiday giveaway. Yeah, kinda lame of me but hey, who doesn't like the idea of free stuff, haha. Anyway, I'll try not to be a total lame-o and actually use the forums. Not just for free stuff. I just wanted to let you all know that I'm stoked to finally be in the company of the rest of you geeks out there. I'm looking forward to discussing everything coffee with all of you.

-Daniel-

p.s. - Not sure where I'm actually supposed to post something like this. I'm a newbie, remember?
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Link to "Lurkers"by cannonfodder on Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:37 am

Welcome to HB and your new de-lurker status.
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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:13 am

Welcome out of the shadows Daniel! I've taken the liberty of merging your de-lurker post with my own.
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Link to "Lurkers"by dgunter on Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:50 pm

Thanks guys. I'm happy to not be the creepy guy listening in on all of your conversations anymore. Well, I suppose I'm still the creepy guy listening in, but at least I've got the option to chime in now, haha.
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Hello all

Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:47 am

I am a Rancilio Silvia user from Mexico City. I just thought i'd introduce myself.

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Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:48 pm

hey!

Dan was nice enough to put me on this thread. I am new to this forum and look forward to learning a lot from all of you. Thanks

Also, I am excited today because i almost got a rosetta design this morning! Maybe tomorrow...

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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:05 pm

Glad to have you out of the shadows Gardoni!

If you want to share a picture of your rosetta, feel free to post here or on Rate my rosetta. I added my humble attempt to the site below. Although I've never nailed the consistency of pro baristas, at least our guests recognize that the pattern is intentional with an occasional "Ooooooh nice, is that a fern?" :roll:

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Whoah!

Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:23 am

Nice Dan!

Well. I can't say that my attempt this morning even begins to look like this. Maybe I should try for an apple....then we'll see.
By the way, I voted for you.

Thanks again,
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First Rosetta!!!

Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:46 pm

Hey!!!

I finally got my first Rosetta. What do you guys think??

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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:00 pm

Nice coloring, looks tasty.

However, the rosetta looks a bit forced, i.e., like you are trying to trace the shape of the leaves. It's hard to describe, but try stretching a little less (so the milk isn't quite so foamy) and pouring faster. When you want the "dot" to begin, lower the tip of the pitcher as close as you can to the surface of the milk. You can encourage the milk foam to glide across the top of the crema by giving a brief slosh of milk from the back of the pitcher.

Well, that's the best I can offer, my skills are pretty weak in latte art...
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Thanks!

Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:48 pm

Thanks Dan!

These are great suggestions. I will try them out tomorrow.

Happy New Year!

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Another attempt

Link to "Lurkers"by gardoni on Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:44 pm

I hope this doesn't become too boring. First rosetta attempt of 2007!

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Link to "Lurkers"by Fishgod on Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:55 pm

I will admit it, I am a lurker.
I am a computer geek by trade. My hobbies include fly fishing, RC precision aerobatics, photography, and cooking. With all my hobbies I have found bulletin boards a great source of information and amusement. The reason that I lurk is that most of my questions can be answered by searching the boards, and watching others discuss the finer points of the hobby/passion. If I were knowledgeable enough to add to a discussion I would. I don't believe building a post count for the sake of it serves anyones best interest.
With that said, I have been a coffee drinker for years. Started when I was 16; early mornings before fishing. Stopped buying canned coffee long ago and started using a cheap grinder and store bought beans. Fast forward, I love the coffee flavor and smell. I currently drink coffee from a french press at home and buy Americanos, and Cappa's. when I am out and about. I would love to try a good shot of espresso but I have not seen one made that even comes close to following any of the techniques described on these boards. I can taste the difference in the Americanos and cappa's that I drink when I know the shot is really bad. I would love to find a known source of a good shot up here and give it a try but I will have to most likely wait until I travel to the lower 48. I am in the process of selecting equipment for the house. I believe I have narrowed down my choices, but trying to decide on plumbed rotary pump or pour over. The grinder will be my first purchase, MACAP M4 or Mini Mazzer.
I will keep lurking, learning and enjoying the obsession we call espresso

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Link to "Lurkers"by HB on Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:10 am

Welcome out of the shadows, Michael.

Fishgod wrote:The reason that I lurk is that most of my questions can be answered by searching the boards, and watching others discuss the finer points of the hobby/passion.

I was a long-time lurker at one time and now I'm at the opposite extreme. The biggest difference my choice to delurk made was challenging myself to think of my own novel discussion topics and not rely on others to pick them. I'm reminded of an exchange where Chris Tacy (malachi) was complaining about the dullness of recent topics, to which I replied "If you're not leading the discussion, you have no right to complain about how it proceeds." My mild rebuke prompted him to start some of the most intriguing threads on this board, e.g., The E61 Group - Truth and Lies.

I'm still a little weirded out by the unbounded nature of the Internet. On the other hand, there's something really cool about sharing my thoughts with an Alaskan fisherman, just like that. My kids are young and were amazed, especially since I happen to read them the story of Balto the dog just the other day ("You know someone from Alaska?!? Is that near New York?" ... gotta work on the geography lessons).

Fishgod wrote:I believe I have narrowed down my choices, but trying to decide on plumbed rotary pump or pour over.

No question, I vote plumbed in.
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