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LMWDP Rollcall

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by srobinson on Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:04 pm

Since this site is becoming quite the lever family, I wanted to start a post to let members say a bit about themselves and hopefully show a picture of their machines. If interested in joining this elite club, post a short story about yourself and your passion for levers. Once your post is complete, click this link to register; the list below will be automatically updated with your login and new LMWDP member number.

Now many folks have asked about where the Lever Machine World Domination Plot came from. Well my other hobby is old Porsches. I am currently driving a 1983 911SC and as many of you know who belong to other hobby clubs there is a strong rivalry within the marque. So on the Porsche side we created SCWDP as a way to keep our conversations to the truly informed and quickly sort out the other poor individuals who had purchased outside of the 1978-1983 years.

I saw a lot of similarities with the lever espresso machines and also the hard-core devotion around these machines. So with sample in hand, I created this club to be the only active site on the web to actively discuss these beautiful machines. Now world domination is at hand.

With that background... let's see the soldiers of this worthy army...

Official list of LMWDP members:

LMWDP #001 srobinson
LMWDP #002 HB
LMWDP #003 Rocket Coffee
LMWDP #004 another_jim
LMWDP #005 MarkJ
LMWDP #006 gaggia1948
LMWDP #007 bobcraige
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LMWDP #016 espressobsessed
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LMWDP #018 Rainman
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LMWDP #020 Paul L
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LMWDP #022 JonR10
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LMWDP #024 espressoperson
LMWDP #025 h00ktern
LMWDP #026 Dr Jim
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LMWDP #041 Walter
LMWDP #042 Jerome a Nantes
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LMWDP #070 Leverage
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LMWDP #081 kev_uk
LMWDP #082 aeroplane
LMWDP #083 French
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LMWDP #086 lennoncs
LMWDP #087 bainesy
LMWDP #088 Presso
LMWDP #089 coffeeohio
LMWDP #090 espressme
LMWDP #091 SylvainMtl
LMWDP #092 grong
LMWDP #093 easy_henry
LMWDP #094 chino
LMWDP #095 Trisha
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LMWDP #097 MrKen
LMWDP #098 benevento
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LMWDP #100 papalatte
LMWDP #101 petterf
LMWDP #102 JOE ROACH
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LMWDP #104 carrie kennedy
LMWDP #105 Linz
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LMWDP #107 Lever_Man
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LMWDP #110 Kaffee Bitte
LMWDP #111 Tim356
LMWDP #112 Joris
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LMWDP #114 old442
LMWDP #115 Javier
LMWDP #116 mrgnomer
LMWDP #117 matadero210
LMWDP #118 kikuchio
LMWDP #119 frege
LMWDP #120 porsche917k
LMWDP #121 Dr. J
LMWDP #122 jamoke
LMWDP #123 john_K
LMWDP #124 ericpmoss
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LMWDP #128 pchong
LMWDP #129 SJM
LMWDP #130 polkaolka
LMWDP #131 Bushrod
LMWDP #132 Gambo
LMWDP #133 WyoRoaster
LMWDP #134 Andy-Gadget
LMWDP #135 cornholio
LMWDP #136 Stuggi
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LMWDP #138 PavoniBunny
LMWDP #139 A2chromepeacock
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LMWDP #143 Michael Salk
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LMWDP #146 docktowndavid
LMWDP #147 beansbats
LMWDP #148 ogatasan
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LMWDP #152 flathead1
LMWDP #153 msmacchiato
LMWDP #154 Bual
LMWDP #155 JWPATE
LMWDP #156 Pioneer Roaster
LMWDP #157 Coffeecritter
LMWDP #158 RKP
LMWDP #159 Levergirl
LMWDP #160 mattwells
LMWDP #161 arced
LMWDP #162 caeffe
LMWDP #163 Bleu405
LMWDP #164 ntwkgestapo
LMWDP #165 matt.shure
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LMWDP #167 farmroast
LMWDP #168 cappafan
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LMWDP #198 Chert
LMWDP #199 CoffeeOwl
LMWDP #200 Spresso_Bean
LMWDP #201 BillR
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LMWDP Rollcall

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by Paul L on Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:54 pm

As reported elsewhere in this section, I've wrestled with the technical vacuum of a brain I have for digital photography and I hope some casual shots can now be found below.

Now these are not show shots in any sense, just a handful of quick grabs after I had: read all I could find on levers in a handful of days, pondered, read, pondered, monitored eBay for a week or two, found and joined this lever section on HB, considered an Elektra, considered a Pav Pro, a Cremina, a Gaggia Factory, visited a chap with a Europiccola, like the KISS and small size idea, pondered, ordered and received. Phew.

Whilst feeling rather geekish and self indulgent I thought I should perhaps create my own thread, lest any questions arise on my humble set-up.

My brief notes on the five shots are as follows:

Shot 1:
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Europiccola EL - not groomed and polished for the shot, just used in fact which is why the boiler cap is off.

This perhaps autosuggests just how quick and easy it all is. Fill, switch on, grind, tamp, milk in jug, light goes out, use lever in whichever method you're following to brew into warmed cup, purge steam wand, froth, pour onto espresso, clean/empty Pav through use of lever and steam wand to ensure it is clean and pressure gone, open top and leave to cool.

A kitchen should be a feelgood room of course and the radio is important. A nice little Tivoli which is no Troughline, tubed Magnum Dynalab, tubed Unico or Kremlin or Accuphase but thankfully is not a DAB monstrosity either. Sorry.

Shot 2:
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Not much to add. Note the UK plug, this is some kind of contraption with UK 3-pins that you screw up after putting the continental (European) 2-pin plug inside it. Included for anyone in the UK wondering what La Pavoni's idea of a UK plug is.

Shot 3:
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I wanted to help a newbie understand that to render 4 out of 5 (perhaps more) bought coffees as barely drinkable (and often not!) it doesn't take a lot of kit. It also adds to one or two recent posts. The 58mm Gaggia portafilter is shown purely as a comparison with the 51mm La Pavoni one and whilst the Gaggia looks more substantial the La Pavoni is heavier and feels better. I thought I would dislike the fact that the La Pavoni (double) filter basket is not held in the portafilter but actually I seem to prefer it to the (double) Gaggia shown.

Supplied plastic tampers from both La Pavoni and Gaggia included to show the size difference along with a proper one in the background from http://www.happydonkey.co.uk. The latter does not break the bank and nicely unscrews for different bases although it is not the same thread size as Reg Barber offerings. Shame.

The jug was the advice of the shop assistant when I bought my Gaggia Cubika earlier in the year, he suggested a smaller jug for home use. Right or wrong? No idea but I've learned to work with it and have no complaints. Certainly the Gaggia wand is fairly low down and does not swivel in height and so a smaller jug helps clear the kitchen top, with a La Pavoni this is not important and I think a bigger jug will help to see what is going in there. Oh dear, as someone said today "APD is setting in fast and there's no return. I mean congratulations"

APD? Acquisition, despair and poverty! I liked that and think it will stick.

Shot 4:
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Slightly different view to show the filter basket and tamper sizes clearly.

Shot 5:
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My Macap 4 and the Gaggia Cubika. I don't use the hopper as you can see, I put the base upside down as shown to keep dust etc. away as I use only the beans I need then I immediately clean and hoover the burrs and the doser! Obsessive, I don't know. I took note of all those comments about keeping everything clean so whilst I don't particularly polish outer surfaces I am fussy about the pathways. The nice things about the Cubika is that good-sized metal hotplate so it has its use! Actually, my end result is better from it as it should be by now so it's a useful benchmark. If I get into a different warming routine I can see me donating it, probably to my parents so I can use it when I visit them!

The real indulgence out of all this as you can probably see was the Macap. I figured it's up to me to learn to froth, to source freshly roasted beans or start roasting (iRoast arrives any day!), learn to tamp and master a machine which gets the basics right. The bit that one should not mess around with though and get the best one can afford is the grinder. Am I right? I've no idea but it feels right and I don't regret this.

I'll leave it there and hope it doesn't bore you too much. In the midst of schooling, parenting, business and all the other things which occupy us daily one can lose any sense of reality and perspective on pastimes!
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by KarlSchneider on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:18 pm

Paul,

Thanks for the photos, show quality or no. I enjoyed reading your story. I will soon be posting some more photos and an update on my first month with my Elektra. I think those of us who have decided to take the "less-travelled road" should tell our stories.

And again, thanks to Dan and Steve for creating this space within HB!
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Re: LMWDP Rollcall

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by espressoperson on Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:38 pm

Just watched the Phillies lose in a valiant effort to hold on to the lead in the wildcard race but still happy because I discovered this forum! I joined home-barista back in June but didn't hang out here much and didn't notice these lever threads till this weekend. However - talk about the amazing abilities of lever machines - my Cremina got to this forum three weeks before I did!

I bought my new Olympia Cremina for $350, over 20 years ago! Can't say I've been as lucky in every area of life (e.g., I bought a betamax), but no question I lucked out on this one! There is nothing flimsy or cheap about the Cremina, NOTHING! You've got to see it and feel it to appreciate how solid it is. The portafilter has a nice heft to it, the 49 mm basket holds a comfortable 15 g of coffee, and it easily produces rich 2 oz shots. It fits my drinking pattern perfectly. One double at a time, every few hours throughout the day. We emulate the Italians' drink; why not emulate their drinking patterns too?

I can apply most everything I read on the forums about improving espresso output and taste to the Cremina. For example, the new and recent (to me) emphasis on distribution of grinds has improved my lever shots just as it has improved peoples' pump shots. And while a Solis Major Plus grinder will produce good shots, a perfectly dialed in Mazzer Mini will allow me to finesse a pull with perfect resistance and produce shots with bountiful crema and sweet, sweet taste.

Is it easy to learn? I can't remember :-). It's easier and faster for me than using Silvia. I believe that time spent trying to master it will be paid back in improvements and eventual mastery. Just think about the trouble people have with their new Silvias that they can push through to success because of the many users around to help them through the learning curve. There are just fewer of us lever users around to help prospective lever users over the hump. Too bad, because the lever machine is perfect for the "small is beautiful" crowd. 99.9 % of my espresso usage is just me - 3 to 8 espressos per day, and maybe one or two for my wife. Why buy a machine for the few times a year we have a crowd over? Let them suffer with freshly home roasted pourover drip.
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PS. This is an updated version of a post I made on another forum last month in what turns out to have been a parallel thread to one on this forum. Just a few thoughts to add after having tried to catch up on all the wonderful post here this evening.

Besides the beautiful woodware added a few months ago, my Cremina is stock, except for whatever Jim at 1st-Line has done to keep it running at its peak, including a new heating element a year and a half ago. The wonderful thing about being the original owner is that every scratch, dent, ding, on the machine is mine! I want those reminders of my life with Cremina. So I'm on the other side of the spectrum from Steve, who wants to create his own canvas for living with the machine. Still I marvel at the transformation he has made. Can't help wondering if the Cremina was just meant to have a glossy black shell all along? Will mine be crying out for a paint job soon? Talk about an exclusive club!

I already posted a couple of notes about my low-tech steam wand mods for the Cremina. I'm hoping someone here will get on the case and come up with a more permanent solution to improve frothing that we can use.

Finally, I'm staking a claim as the oldest AND longest using creminaut here. A distinction others may not want to claim even if deserved. So I'm hoping Steve will grant me an out-of-turn LMWDP number of 24 - which I would share with my baseball hero, Willie Mays, and which I hope would be retired when I do.

Many thanks to the creators of this forum and the contributors.

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by JonR10 on Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:47 pm

I have owned a couple of lever machines now. My current one is the miniGaggia.
It's about 30+ years old and in pristine condition (could probably use new seals).

I used the machine almost exclusively while I waited for my WEGA to arrive, and still keep her on the counter for those times when I want to be at one with the coffee in a more personal and intimate way. The mini has an open boiler, no steam, very steady temp.

For more pics go to http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/...so/machines/125858

And here's the machine herself...
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And one more....
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One thing I really like is the 58mm standard size PF and basket.


Here's a shot from the miniG...
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No plans to use this number in any standard signature - I just thought we were having fun.
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by Rocket Coffee on Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:39 am

It all started for me a good 15 plus years ago with a never before used, still in org. packaging 1950's Europiccola (and a blade grinder). I still use my LP on average twice a month and take it with me for extended trips and vacations.

The LMWDP is growing... it's growing I tell ya!


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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by ladalet on Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:28 pm

My journey to become LMWDP #19 began about 4 years ago. At the time I really did no even like coffee let alone espresso. A friend took me to a Starbucks for some coffee one day and I did not know what to order. The Barista, back then they actually still tamped and pulled shots, recommended an americana. I really liked it. Shortly after that I was the proud owner of my first espresso machine. I purchased a Krups Bravo Steam Espresso (moka) machine and a Braun blade grinder. The brew actually tasted about as good as what I had at Starbucks. A couple of weeks later, while taking a little vacation in the San Juan Islands in the Puget Sound I tried an americano at a little espresso shop. A light went off--so this is how coffee is supposed to taste. I also found out that I did not have a real espresso machine. I needed one with a pump.

When I got back from my trip I purchased a Saeco Via Venito and a Capresso 551 grinder from Costco. All was happy in my coffee universe for about a year. Because I like to do things right and found espresso very interesting, I started looking into espresso equipment and going to espresso sights like CoffeeGeek and CoffeeKid. I learned about 3-way solinoids, aluminum vs commercial brass groups, heat exchangers, and most devastating of all--pressurized portafilters with crema enhancers. That was not real crema. It was a trick. I really did not know if I was actually pulling a good healthy shot. Although my coffee was better than Starbucks it did not hold a candle to a good cafe. Now I knew why. I needed a brass commercial group, a three way solinoid, a heat exchanger, and most important of all--no crema enhancer. While doing research for a better replacement I found myself strangely attracted to lever machines. However, the steep learning curve made me decide to get my sea legs with a good pump machine first. The machine that had the best reputation and history as "THE" home machine at the time was the Pasquini Livia 90. Someday it would be mine.

About this time I started going to a local URM Cash and Carry grocery outlet. Up high on a shelf they had a Pasquini Livia 90 and 3 drawer base just out of reach--physically and figuratively. One day when chatting with the Asst. Manager I joked that if they ever just wanted to get rid of that machine that had been up there for at least the 6 months I had been shopping there to let me know. He said, in a serious voice, just a minute I'll be right back. A few minutes later he returned with a smile. It is yours for $650 with the base. After a few silent seconds I closed my mouth and made sure I was dry and wrote out a check. I thought I had reached coffee heaven with this purchase--until I got home and tried to pull a shot--a quick 8 seconds of colored water gushed out on my grinders finest setting. I quickly realized that I was going to have to upgrade my grinder as well. I found a Gaggia MDF on sale at WholeLatteLove for $149 and now all was right with the world.

That was 2+ years ago and all was well when about 2 months ago my sisters Saeco Classico gave up the ghost. She wanted to know what machine she should get or if I wanted to sell mine. She only wanted to spend under $700 and wanted a 3-way solinoid and HX. I told her the only upgrade I would even consider being interested in would be a good lever machine. I came up with an idea that could work out for everyone. Since she was very proficient at using Ebay, I suggested that she buy me a lever machine that met my needs, now matter how cheap, for under $700 and she could have my Livia. At first I had her bidding on a Electra Micro Casa a leva. Because of price, I had not even considered a Olympia Cremina. But there it was on Ebay with 7 hours to go and was at $355. I phoned my sister to forget about the Elekra and try to get the Cremina. Well, she won the bid at $660 and now she has a well maintained Livia 90 and I have my Cremina. Now I am #19 in the Lever Machine World Domination Project and all is right and good with the world. The Espresso Gods have led my down the path to espresso Nirvana and showered me with blessings. I really appreciate this Lever machine thread and look forward to learning from the other members the finer nuances of producing this divine nectar of the holy bean.
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LMWDP #25 ?

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by h00ktern on Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:47 pm

I notice espressoperson has LMWDP #24, and am hoping that I may become privileged to display LMWDP #25; I have personal reasons for desiring twenty-five...

Qualification: I recently purchased an Elektra Micro Casa A Leva for home use, together with a La Cimbali Junior. I got tired of using the crappy retail machines over the years, even though I have become fairly proficient in sqeezing out drinkable shots and milky mixes. I am partial to the latter, as drinking several "colladas" per shift were not doing my system any good. My "cafe con leche" addiction leads to my packing of Moka pots and camping stoves whenever I am away from my own, or another's qualified brew. A day just isn't the same without it, and work nearly impossible. I am definitely of the American "Super-size" culture, but only from my own hand. I think I drink too much coffee, going through 2 and a half gallons of milk a week at work.

I am currently trying to become proficient in the diminishing art of espresso, and the draw of the lever was almost instantaneous. I am drawn to the details of this craft, and want to master it for my own enjoyment. Attaining that, I will be happy to share the fruit of my labors. I am slowly reducing my super-size addiction, in favor of more reasonable euro quantities. At home, with this equipment, it is not producing withdrawal symptoms. The quality of the drinks, as well as the "routine" of entering the zone while producing them more than makes up for the smaller quantity.

I am happy to have found this site, especially this forum. Levers rule...

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Hmmm - is LMWDP #26 still available?

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by Dr Jim on Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:47 am

OK - lets see here, am now down to 'only' 1.5 La Pavoni machines - the half machine has a cracked grouphead and is a steamer only - but our original Europiccola continues to chug along making daily shots for Katherine.

The Pontevecchio Lusso machine is now securely installed onboard Nonchalant and provides me my daily excercise:

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The La Peppina sits, somewhat neglected, on a counter at the Lab - while we blissfully play with our new toy, an Isomac Rituale, but it will soon find another home.

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If this seems like a fair number of machines, it is, but we have a boat, an apartment, and a Lab to keep in espresso so they all get used.

I'm <<still>> looking for a full-sized 58mm spring lever machine like an old Gaggia, Astoria, or Rancillio, since I've become absolutely addicted to the 18gm grounds capacity of a triple basket in the Isomac.

Cheers

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by chopinhauer on Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:05 am

Hi All,

I've recently joined HB and would like to introduce myself, tell my story (a bit longish, I'm afraid)and join the plot. So here goes.

I just sold my three month old, perfectly functioning Rancilio Silvia and reverted, happily, to my 25 year old perfectly functioning Pavoni Europiccola. And I think from now on its lever machines for me. Why?

But before saying why I sold Silvia, I should set out why I purchased her in the first place, when I had a old, but basically perfect little
Pavoni. The answer to this is the internet: Coffeegeek and alt.coffee in particular (as well as the message board, coffeesnobs in Australia) where Silvia has a strong following. I've long been a coffeegeek in the sense of searcher for the perfect coffee and just felt I had to 'step up' to a 'real machine'. After years of reading, and being cashed up and ready to go, I decided to get a Silvia. I could have purchased basically any machine including an HX in the sub-Cimbali junior class, but decided that an HX was overkill; especially if the limitations involved in moving from coffee making to milk frothing could be overcome by having two machines; one for coffee (silvia) and one for milk (pavoni).

So I purchased a Silvia from an excellent local vendor close to where I live. (I also purchased a Rocky in my go Rancilio campaign, even though I already had a very capable pavoni jolly grinder, which, in Oz, retail for more than the Rocky). And, to be honest I was immediately happy with my initial results, especially after I began to use a new blend of strong and sweet beans produced by the local roasters, Allpress. I'd long been looking for just such a blend, and serendipitously I discovered it just at the time I changed from the pavoni to the Silvia. Anyway, I was happily making coffees for all, sundry and myself until I began to sense a bit of sourness in every second or so shot. I'd never really experienced sour coffees with the pavoni, whose problem was bitterness, and I realised that temperature issues were beginning to creep in to Silvia's performance. Yes, I was still satisfied, but realised that Silvia was not really consistent, something that has been said countless times in these and other forums, and something I knew when I purchased her.

So a month or so ago I got the europiccola down, loaded her up and made a coffee. It was totally perfect. Strong, sweet, neither sour nor bitter. (Regarding strength, the double filter for the pavoni, holds the same as the la marzocco single that I was using on the Silvia but produced a much stronger, sweeter shot. I always found that the double on Silvia was a tad too strong and, dare I say it, 'under-complex', for my tastes). Anyway, I began using pavoni again and found that with the new blend of beans and new grinder it was producing consistently better espressos, macchiatos and piccolo lattes than Silvia, as well itself, before I moved to the Rancilio. Plus the Europiccola is far more beautiful, smaller, has no heat up time, and makes milk instantly and just as well as Silvia for smallish quantities. Yes, it does overheat after two coffees, but 98% of the time I just make coffees for myself anyway.

So I bit the bullet, limited my financial losses, sold Silvia and went back to my first wife, Pavoni.

The lesson of all this. It is not that Silvia is not as good as it is cut out to be. Quite the contrary, Silvia is just as good as everyone says, but no better than it's sympathetic critics make it out to be. Rather it is that the Pavoni is a really fabulous machine, especially if one uses it only for oneself. If it must service more than two people then its compromises become quite limiting. But all the stuff about it being hard to master is utter rubbish. Yes, it takes some getting used to after one becomes habituated to pump machines and yes one can chuck out the minuscule single filter which holds about 5 grams. But once one gets used to it, uses only the double filter basket, it is very, very predictable. And it produces coffees of a particular sweetness and texture that I find more complex than from vibe pump machines.

So I guess I'm a lever man to stay and, as such, would like to be at the vanguard of the revolution. Please put me in the front line to fight those Silvias, Giottos, Livias, Andrejas et al.

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by Paul L on Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:39 am

Well it didn't take long. The Gaggia became a nice hot plate and nothing more rather quickly. I used it about once every 3 days for comfort during the time my Pavoni frothing was dreadful and until I realised the shot was bland compared with the flavour from the Pavoni. The Gaggia was then moved out of the way and is destined for a cupboard or for donation, probably my parents so I can take some freshly ground home roast around and pull a shot there :D

Anyway, my humble set-up can now be found here http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ploader@btinternet.com/album?.dir=5542&.src=ph

I will add to this with some roasting pics and shots pics over time.
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by oliof on Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:17 pm

So, I claim the next LMWDP membership in line, being the first member that got the sublime message in needing to be part of the movement as told in the other thread. Maybe I should tell the story in all its glory one time, because it's a nice one.

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by espressoperson on Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:12 pm

oliof wrote:Maybe I should tell the story in all its glory one time, because it's a nice one.

Regards,
oliof


Forget the maybe. Please tell all!



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LMWDP Rollcall

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by kbon on Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:33 pm

For 20 plus years I have had one espresso machine or another, beginning with a small Gaggia pump, soon afterward getting the new Bezzera "family" machine, seen here.
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The machine is plumbed in, but it is a manual fill.

I have also had a Europiccola, and a La Peppina, but they were not as comfortable to use as my Bezzera. Living in the Boston area, I was able to get the machine serviced by Rino Gnesi, the US importer of Bezzera's. I never considered doing any work myself until I started reading this website. I appreciate all the information you have made available.

I hope I qualify for a LMWDP number.

Thanks
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by HB on Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:37 am

Karen, thanks for sharing your story and the picture of your nice looking Bezzera. The LMDWP membership numbers are self-serve and you are welcome to the next in line; following back in the thread, it appears to be #26. Jimmy jumped in line for #24 and Lino asked me offline for #25 (he can fight it out with h00ktern if he so chooses offline). The next member number is #27.

h00ktern wrote:I notice espressoperson has LMWDP #24, and am hoping that I may become privileged to display LMWDP #25; I have personal reasons for desiring twenty-five...
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by lino on Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:42 pm

h00ktern, please take number 25.

I had personal reasons for wanting that number as well, however I'm drawn back to my Groucho Marx principle. I don't like to belong to any group that will have me as a member. No reflection on the group, of course.

I will remain a SAOTLMWDP.
(that's Staunch Ally Of The Lever Machine World Domination Plot)

Besides, I have my own plans for world domination.... Muahhh Haaa Haaa!

That aside, I'll have more later on my struggles with the MicroCimbali (and the resulting hole in my ceiling...)


Ciao

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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by oly_puller on Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:02 am

I'm new to home barista, but I almost passed out when I saw this post - let alone posts about all sorts of lever machines... I am not alone. :D

I've been into espresso since I was about 15... which is going on 20 years ago now.. sheesh! I have no idea how I would have survived any finals, hang-overs, or just morning now with a nice double-cap. Mmmm...

Well, I stumbled into lever machines - literally. I was rolling though garage sales with my dad one morning and I stubbed my toes on this old square, copper hunk of junk. My pop, being a damn clever dude, offered the guy $40 bones for the toe busting piece of $#%&! and the guy said sold!

Dad took his prize home and I was off doing other stuff. In my absence, my dad had chopped up several leather belts trying to create a piston gasket for this old lever machine. No dice.

Being internet savvy, I rolled online (with like a 1400 baud modem back then!) and found a shop in San Francisco to fix things up. I almost passed out when the boys at Thomas Carra told me it would be $150 bucks to fix up the old machine - but it would be worth it. When we got it back, it worked like a champ and served my dad well for many years.

I've called it many names: Mister Copper, Old One Arm and even, Precious! Watching Lord of the Rings - I think precious is most fitting- I remember my dad being so hard up for a shot, the poor bastard repacked a spent puck and tried to suck some more cremma out of it.

Yeah... it didn't work. Damn funny though to think of now. Especially since my order of Ambrosia is on the way as I write this.

My dad passed away about 7 years ago. And Mister Copper, One Arm, Precious is sitting on my counter and produces 5 or 6 doubles a day. I've got my wife hooked too... :twisted:

Until I found this forum, I'd been on my own. I had no idea anyone else out there, aside from Tomas Carra guys knew what my old Cremina 67 was.

I've used a Francis X1 and some other machines, but nothing holds a candle to my precious. I have a feeling I'll be pulling shots with it until I stop waking up in the morning. And, heaven forbid, something should go wrong with it.. something disastrous... I'll pony up the $2500 clams and buy another. It *is* worth it. If only cars, computers and friendships were built to last as well as my Olympia.

Anyhow, my machine is number 7310736. I'd be willing to share what I know and learn what I can from you guys. I'd love to be part of the project... just give me a number! :D

Glad to find you all.
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Patrick
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So here is my story about a fateful walk around the block...

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by oliof on Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:11 am

It's been about three and half a year that all this happened.

Before that time, I haven't been drinking coffee or espresso at all, despite coming from a highly-caffeinated culture (my parents didn't have breakfast without a pot of hand-filtered drip coffee, which I made for them often; then I studied computer sciences, and there are some heavy users as well...).

My wife and me had just recently moved from one flat to another, but without leaving our part of the city. There is a small portuguese cafe at the corner, and all I got from there was some nice croissants until now.

One day, we take a walk around, and at that same street corner, just opposite the cafe, an espresso machine sits on top of the paper waste container, with a little note sticking on it...."still working! have fun!". I saw the beautiful thing that was an old and slightly abused Cremina 67 and stood still in my tracks, my eyes fixed on the beauty of mechanical simplicity.

After taking a few more steps, my wife realized I had stopped. She turned around and looked at me. Followed my gaze. Looked at the machine. Looked at me "We don't need it", she says, "You don't even drink coffee!". "Yes, right", I answer, "but it's a beautiful machine, You drink coffee and Latte Macchiato. We might have guests that enjoy a sip." "I don't even know if it fits somewhere in our kitchen, and it is possibly broken!" "Well", I reply, "that might all be true, but this is too good an opportunity to pass. Let's just take it with us. If it's broken, we can bring it back here. If it does not fit into the kitchen, we can give it to a friend as a present..."

I feel the resistance is broken. I am allowed to take the machine back home. A short inspection shows the machine could work, I just need to get the water tank open, as the boiler seal sits very fast. A little help from Mr. Wrench helped solve that problem. I gave the machine, which was in bad shape, a rough cleaning job.

Then, the first test, and two Latte Macchiato, the machine is destined to stay. It's now part of our daily routine - no morning without a nice espresso and some steamed milk.

I am the proud owner of machine #7718708. I exchanged the portafilter holder because the chrome on the inside peeled off. The machine is probably not in the best shape, but I have almost no knowledge of espresso machines. It would probably be worth bringing it into a shop that knows about this kind of machines though.

Regards,
oliof


PS: At approximately the same time, my boss bought a Saeco Incanto Digital Full Automatic Espresso machine. His has been in for repairs about half a dozen time because of different breakage. Talk about technical advancement!
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Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by h00ktern on Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:43 pm

lino wrote:h00ktern, please take number 25.

I had personal reasons for wanting that number as well,...

Ciao

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I thank you sir for your honor. I sat on this thread for quite awhile, waiting to time my post. In the event I leave the plot, I will relinquish this number to your care.

oly_puller

I can so relate to your post. Cheers!
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What number is the LMWDP up too?

Link to "LMWDP Rollcall"by oly_puller on Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:21 am

Who do I have to bribe to take a number? :D
...better make it a double!
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