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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by Dogshot on Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:28 am

I have been enjoying the reviewers' comments, particularly Greg's observations of the Lusso (although I have to admit I would love to see a video or even a few pics of a shot from the naked pf). I think one aspect of the smackdown that has not been discussed directly is that there are 2 new things for lever newcomers to deal with: the machine and required techniques, which as has been discussed, are very different from pump machines; and the espresso itself.

I don't think it is appropriate to compare espresso from a lever (especially a spring lever) to espresso from a pump machine, at least not in terms of preference, and for this smackdown. It brings in too many preconceptions, and is not really the purpose of a lever machine, or of the smackdown. I think the primary questions that a reviewer needs to address are 1) can I produce a cup with some consistency on this machine, and if so, how? 2) Can I vary the espresso in ways that change the taste? and 3) Do I like what I can produce on this machine?

For the most part, and as usual, I think our reviewers are answering the relevant questions.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by Fullsack on Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:31 am

Fullsack wrote:No argument there, but a disconnect occurs when a seasoned pump machine user with limited lever machine skills, compares his pump machine to a lever machine.
HB wrote:Thanks for clarifying, I think we'll be able to handle it.


What are you going to do, specifically, to make these types of comparisons fair?

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by HB on Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:55 am

Fullsack wrote:What are you going to do, specifically, to make these types of comparisons fair?

First of all, I don't share your concern that the comparisons are unfair. Or more accurately, I'm not concerned that this review is any less fair than those in the past, and I leave it to readers to decide if they're fair.

This review targets a broad range of home consumers, not an elite subset of lever experts. The purpose of the Smackdown isn't to declare an ultimate winner, it's to learn about the unique characteristics of this class of espresso machine and hopefully elicit helpful decision criteria along the way. The information, even if slightly flawed by lever expert standards, will be helpful to those wanting to make an informed buying decision.

Fullsack wrote:...a disconnect occurs when a seasoned pump machine user with limited lever machine skills, compares his pump machine to a lever machine.

Dave has years of lever experience. I have modest experience and will "leverage" Steve as necessary (he has 10+ years of exclusive lever experience). I think that Greg and John will round out the "new to levers" viewpoint. Jim may join in at a later date if his schedule allows. Bottom line: I think we're well covered.

To answer your question more generally, we'll do what we've always done for reviews. Taste a lot, offer and listen to suggestions, observe, experiment, document, theorize... What else would you have us do specifically?
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by peacecup on Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:23 pm

I think Doug has a point, in that all four reviewers probably prefer to use pump machines. All four have enough years of experience, and enough resources, to have chosen a lever machine for their daily use if they had preferred one. Dan and Dave, I believe, both have one, but don't use it as their main machine - is this correct? I seem to remember Dave upgrading to his Elektra pump machine - with equal resources he might have gotten a 1-group commercial lever, etc.

So, whether their choices were driven by espresso quality, ease of use, ability to manipulate brew variables, etc, all the reviewers have chosen pump machines. I have no doubt that the reviewers will do a great job of being objective and calling attention to the pros and cons of the lever machines. I wonder if any of them will end up choosing a lever as their main machine.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by Fullsack on Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:24 pm

HB wrote:What else would you have us do specifically?


At this point, I think we have all laid out our concerns well enough to qualify the Smackdown results. Many thanks to both you and GregS for your responses.
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by cannonfodder on Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:32 pm

My attention has turned to my old friend, my kids call it tin man (after the pointed boiler topper) but you know him as the Gaggia Factory. The Factory was manufactured by La Pavoni for Gaggia and I have owned it for a few years, I cut my lever teeth (or arm) on it. My unit is the 16 cup version but I have made a modification or two to it. One is strictly for bling, hand turned and finished cocobolo handles, the other is more functional. An adjustable digital thermostat which bypasses the pressurestat so I can adjust temperature on the fly, but more on that one later.

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My Factory has the newer millennium group. There are 4 major changes to the millennium design over the older units. Three of those are centered on the grouphead. The millennium design increased the portafilter displacement from 49 to 51mm. They also added a nylon/plastic liner in the group to help insulate the piston from the hot group. The piston is also made of a nylon/plastic; the older units used a brass piston. The piston will unscrew from the shaft, which has happened over time while inside the machine. That can lead to a piston that does not rise enough to pass over the water outlet hole in the group. I have also heard that you can purchase a brass piston to replace the plastic if you so desire. The fourth change is a combination switch instead of two power switches (one for steam the other for brew); there is one switch and the boiler temperature is controlled by a pressurestat.

The machine ships with black plastic portafilter and lever handles, one double spouted portafilter, a single basket, double basket and useless black plastic tamper. The drip tray is black plastic and lifts off the base of the machine and comes with two drip tray covers, one black plastic, which is what I use, and the other stainless steel with holes punched in it. The drainage on the stainless drip tray cover is horrible so I use the plastic cover. Make sure that when you order a LaPavoni you get a proper tamper. I use a flat bottom stainless lava tamper.

Assembly is next to non existent: un-box, put on table, put on drip tray, fill boiler, turn on. That is all the setup required. Unlike most pump machines that need two people to un-box and place, the Factory is relatively light weight and is easily moved around by one person. That light weight also translates to easily moved when pulling a shot. The base on the LaPavoni style machines is small and because of the machines light weight it wants to wiggle around on the kitchen counter. For an easy fix, go to your local hardware store and get a roll of kitchen cabinet matting, or if you are a wood worker get a router mat. This is a spongy and sticky foam rubber mat; you can cut it to fit under the base of the machine and will hold it place while pulling a shot.

The steam wand on the Factory is located on the right side of the machine with the valve on the left rear side of the machine. The steam wand is fixed and non adjustable unless you man handle it and bend it to a new position, but I would not recommend it. It is a little awkward to use being mounted so close the exposed boiler. The acorn nut steam tip is three holed and the large boiler will provide ample steam.
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The boiler is capped with a single large boiler cap. Inside that cap is both the vacuum breaker and emergency pressure release. If either becomes sticky you have to soak the entire cap. If one wears out, you have to replace the cap. I have had to do nether and I have had the machine for a few years.

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The boiler sight glass does not have minimum or maximum level markings. When filling the boiler pay attention to the water level. You will not want to fill the boiler beyond 3/4 and 2/3rds full. If you go over that the steam tends to get wet. Once you have the boiler filled and the boiler cap installed, just flip the power switch and let it heat.

It takes around 10 minutes for the boiler to heat to temperature but that is not to say it is ready to pull shots. While the machine has a vacuum breaker, I make it a practice to purge the boiler via the steam wand after the initial heating has finished just in case. After that another 5 minutes and it is ready for business. If you want to speed the process you can flush water through the group a couple of times and purge the steam wand. Keep in mind that flushing water through the group could overheat the machine.

The Factory uses a 51mm double spout portafilter. I never split a shot so I removed the double spouts quite some time ago. One thing to consider, the portafilter does not have a retaining spring. The basket just sits in the portafilter. If you prefer to dose and tamp with the basket out of the portafilter then this is a convenient feature. The down side, there is nothing to hold the basket in the portafilter so when you knock out the puck you have to hold the basket in the portafilter with a finger.

The Factory has no cup warmer, unless you place your demi cup upside down over the boiler cap while heating. Before I prepare my portafilter I like to pull a couple of ounces through the group and into my cup to heat it.

The double basket holds 13 grams of coffee by filling the basket to the top and then leveling the grinds off while using no downward pressure. If you wish to dose higher, then a light tap or two to settle the grinds in the basket while dosing will allow you to get 15 grams in the double basket. While dosing changes with coffee, I prefer to start with a 12 gram dose. At 12 grams you will be dosing slightly below the top of the basket rim. When tamping, the top of the side of the piston is just below the top of the basket, the tamped dose fills the double basket around 2/3's full.

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The factory has a full manual lever, which means there is no spring or other mechanism to assist in the pulling or raising of the lever. You alone control the extraction pressure which can make a manual lever challenging to use for some. One of the keys to consistent shots is to learn to pull the lever with consistent pressure. The barista can also vary the pressure on the fly to compensate for a slightly slow or fast shot.

One again, there are many ways to pull a shot, the only rule is that the technique you use produces a shot that you enjoy to drink. Having said that, this is how I pull a shot. After the machine has heated I pull around 2 ounces of water into my demi to preheat it. While it sits, I grind, dose and tamp my selected coffee. I tend to grind finer for the lever than my pump machine requires. I find I get a better shot with a lower than maximum dose, fine grind and light tamp.

Once the portafilter is prepared, I empty and dry my cup, raise the lever until water flows then back down just until it stops flowing. Then I lock in the portafilter, raise the lever and allow the puck to infuse for 5-6 seconds before I start my pull. When doing multiple lever pulls, I will pull the lever around a half stroke, usually no coffee has dropped out of the portafilter. If it has it is only a drop. Then I gently raise the handle to the top of the stroke and hold it another 2-3 seconds to allow the chamber to refill. Then I pull the lever to completion. Using that technique I get a 1.5 ounce shot.

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In order to generate enough pressure to properly extract the shot, a fair amount of pressure is needed. You really have to put some muscle, or body weight into the lever. If you are having trouble gauging your pull pressure try this simple test. Get your bathroom scale out and put it on your counter, then put your machine on top of it. Zero out your weight, prep you portafilter and pull a shot. Use minimal counter force on the portafilter handle but be very careful. The small base makes the machine tippy and you do not want to pull it over onto yourself. While carefully pulling that shot, look at the scale. You should be exerting at least 30 pounds of pressure. That will put your brew pressure in the 8 bar range. The shots flow rich and crema laden. If you up the pressure it will produce even more crema. My test coffee was Counter Culture Cafe's Twin Cities espresso which delivered some absolutely wonderful shots. Very creamy and intensely nutty with a hint of berry in the finish.

While that multi pull technique works better for me on this machine that it did on the Elektra, I still prefer a single lever pull. While it only produces a one ounce drink, the flavor is more intense, smoother and creamier than what I get from a multi pull shot.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by HB on Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:52 pm

Thanks Dave for the writeup. I especially appreciate the succinct "pulling shots by the number" section.

cannonfodder wrote:If you are having trouble gauging your pull pressure try this simple test. Get your bathroom scale out and put it on your counter, then put your machine on top of it. Zero out your weight, prep you portafilter and pull a shot. Use minimal counter force on the portafilter handle but be very careful. The small base makes the machine tippy and you do not want to pull it over onto yourself. While carefully pulling that shot, look at the scale. You should be exerting at least 30 pounds of pressure. That will put your brew pressure in the 8 bar range.

The question of how much lever pressure is necessary comes up from time-to-time. To tie these discussions together in one place, I've excerpted key posts on the topic below. Steve (approximately) confirmed your measurements in Elektra/Pavoni side-by-side, excerpted below:

srobinson wrote:As I get into some observations about actually making coffee, I've set the stage for the differences between the Pavoni and the Elektra lever mechanisms. The Elektra has the huge spring to do the pull and the Pavoni has....well you. As you may have read from Chris' post on the Pavoni, this can be quite a task:

One thing that has become clear is that this machine is hard to use well if you are very small. You simply don't have the ability to really control the pressure when you're having to work that hard.


This got me thinking about how much pressure it actually took to get a really good pull. Since the wife was out to dinner, I figured I would stage one of those very sophisticated HB tests that women would categorize as a genetic male flaw should they observe it. I decided to do a pull using the bathroom scale.

Now for this task we place the Pavoni fully warmed and primed on the scale to get an initial reading: 11 pounds starting weight.

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Now the fun begins to get a full pull underway, trying to maintain form and snap a decent picture: max downward thrust reading was 51 pounds for a delta of 40 pounds required for a good shot.

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This is about as sophisticated as I am going to get on the measure, so if any engineers in the audience want to convert that to bars, please knock yourself out. (I am happy to give lever lengths, cylinder dimensions and attack angles) This could be an extra credit question is a future swag contest.

While it is a bit of work, the manual step does give you a decent amount of control over the shot with regards to speed and grind variation. It also gives you an excellent excuse for a second machine by convincing the significant other that it will part of your daily exercise program. You will have at least one killer tricep. With the Elektra design you will hardly break a sweat...cock the handle and release.


He returned to the topic in Olympia Cremina 2002: The evolution of design:

srobinson wrote:There had also been some good discussions on the lever forum with regards to what pressure is actually used during a lever shot, so I convinced Dan to steal a few of his loose parts to see if we can get an idea what pressure is needed on the Olympia and how that pressure varies during a pull.

What we rigged up was an elbow pressure gauge on the bottom of the Olympia portafilter. My wife currently has my digital camera at her parent's house, but I will post some pics of the setup. With a real pressure gauge I hypothesized that I could be a bit more exact on how much downward pressure would be needed to record specific bar pressure on the gauge. Utilizing my handy bathroom scale, that became famous in my Elektra/Pavoni comparison, I was able to plot the following curve:

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With this data as my reference curve, I did a rough plot of the pressures that I saw during a good shot at 2 second intervals. To help understand the line, the shot had a 10 second pre-infusion, followed by a first pull...and then you will see the line drop to 0 as I did a second pull until blonding. Take a look:

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A couple observations from this data. First, there is very little reference material out there that helps me validate these curves. There have been several posts stating that it takes roughly 40lbs to pull 9 bars, so I was pleased to validate that point. I think the pattern does give you some insight on the unique nature of lever machines. At the start of the pull, infusion is under your control and you can hit the puck immediately with full pressure. There is no ramp-up. Also with these machines, there is variable pressure during the pull. I was using a pulling style of letting the machine do the work and tried to stay with its resistance. The final observation is that with a full manual, I believe that you are able to start at a higher pressure and maintain an overall higher pressure than with an spring loaded machine. Lino had done some tests with an Elektra and I believe he was finding pressure ranges from the high 6s to finishing around 3 for an average pull. By being able to grind finer and keep pressure high, I think you are able to generate the unique mouthfeel that you get with a great lever shot.
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by RapidCoffee on Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:58 pm

HB wrote:So far, my experience with the Lusso is consistent with Dave's, i.e., the extraction quality suffers on a second pull. It's not always evident from watching the pour from a stock portafilter, but obvious from the negative impact on the taste and body. In my limited experience with the Lusso, the visuals of the pour suffer less from the second pull than the Elektra Microcasa a Leva. The taste impacts however are similar. An easy taste test to confirm is a split shot (first and second pull). The second pull tastes dull and thin.

My La Pavoni experience confirms this. (Aside to Dan: don't you get tired of being right all the time?!? :P)

peacecup wrote:Have any of you three pulled the first and second pulls into different identical demitasses and blind tasted them?

Yep, here's the result:
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Can you guess which is the first pull and which is the second?

Let's try that again without preinfusion (no Fellini move):
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I swapped cups, can you tell?

This isn't even an interesting comparison. The visual appearance clearly confirms what my taste buds tell me: the first pull makes espresso, the second pull produces thin dishwater.

This test actually favors the second pull, since the first sits in the cup with crema dissipating for an extra 20-30 seconds. No matter, the differences are like night and day.

I do like the Fellini move (light pull until the first drops appear), because I think preinfusion is a Good Thing. But for now, I'm sticking with one pull.
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by timo888 on Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:30 pm

Dave,
You go out of your way to make it clear that the individual user's tastes and preferences are what prevail in the end, and that there is no one right way to go about pulling a shot on a lever machine:

cannonfodder wrote:One again, there are many ways to pull a shot, the only rule is that the technique you use produces a shot that you enjoy to drink.


But then you go on to describe a "proper" extraction, and your prescription is not nearly as opened-minded as you were just a few sentences earlier; you clearly favor the ristretto over the normale, and the lungo might as well be something they make on another planet:

cannonfodder wrote:In order to generate enough pressure to properly extract the shot, a fair amount of pressure is needed. You really have to put some muscle, or body weight into the lever. If you are having trouble gauging your pull pressure try this simple test. Get your bathroom scale out and put it on your counter, then put your machine on top of it. Zero out your weight, prep you portafilter and pull a shot. Use minimal counter force on the portafilter handle but be very careful. The small base makes the machine tippy and you do not want to pull it over onto yourself. While carefully pulling that shot, look at the scale. You should be exerting at least 30 pounds of pressure. That will put your brew pressure in the 8 bar range. The shots flow rich and crema laden. If you up the pressure it will produce even more crema.


Given that the machine with its small base is "tippy" when you press down on the lever with "at least 30 pounds of pressure", do you think the designers of the machine expected that 30 pounds or greater (i.e. translating to 8 bars or higher) would be the typical pressure the home user would apply to the lever?

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by timo888 on Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:39 pm

RapidCoffee wrote:Yep, here's the result:
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Can you guess which is the first pull and which is the second?

Let's try that again without preinfusion (no Fellini move):
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I swapped cups, can you tell?

This isn't even an interesting comparison. The visual appearance clearly confirms what my taste buds tell me: the first pull makes espresso, the second pull produces thin dishwater.

This test actually favors the second pull, since the first sits in the cup with crema dissipating for an extra 20-30 seconds. No matter, the differences are like night and day.

I do like the Fellini move (light pull until the first drops appear), because I think preinfusion is a Good Thing. But for now, I'm sticking with one pull.


Again, the second half of a pump machine's extraction (if it is dosed moderately) will be duller and thinner than the first half's product. (Or do you disagree?) This is not a feature peculiar to the lever machine. If you tamp very lightly, the upstroke on the second pull does not fracture the puck and create great rifts for the water to flow through, yielding "dishwater". You only get a fracture on the upstroke when you have tamped so hard that you truly have a "puck" rather than a deformable medium.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by cannonfodder on Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:06 am

Follow on discussion has been split to Lever multiple pull techniques...
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by prof_stack on Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:43 pm

Concerning the PV Lusso, it would be good to hear about peoples' comparisons using the single basket versus the double basket.

When I owned the Sama Export for some reason I preferred the shots from the single basket. The puck was always firm and not chummy (or whatever term was used to describe a soupy basket). I wonder if the depth of the 45mm double basket contributes to that.
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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by peacecup on Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:14 am

Prof wrote:
When I owned the Sama Export for some reason I preferred the shots from the single basket. The puck was always firm and not chummy (or whatever term was used to describe a soupy basket). I wonder if the depth of the 45mm double basket contributes to that.


I've written this elsewhere, but I never have "soupy puck syndrome" (SPS) with the 45-mm double basket on my Ponte Vecchio. They pop out whole, firm, evenly wetted, no matter how many lever pulls. I attribute this the a coarser grind/harder tamp (CG/HD) technique that I prefer, vs. the finer grind/lighter tamp (FG/LT). When I do experiment with the latter I get SPS. This is not to say that FG/LT is in valid. In fact timo's argument is that NO TAMP is the best tamp, and I have been experimenting with his method. Amazingly, I get great espresso across a variety of grind/tamp levels, which further increases my respect for the little PV 45-mm srping lever group. It prety much impossible to screw up with this thing.

Two years ago, when I bought my PV, I never dreamt I'd be able to have discussions with so many other people about different techniques, etc. Its been a lot of fun and very educational.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by peacecup on Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:57 pm

I don't want to belabor this point, but re: the Ponte Vecchio single vs. double basket, I have found satifying results using multiple pulls on the double basket, to obtain a ~50% brew ratio. Because of the small volume of the 45-mm group (15 ml), if one doses full in the double basket (15g) one pull will yield a brew ratio of 100% (15g:15ml). These shots are great, but they are high ratio, and sometimes I prefer lower, so I use multiple pulls - four pulls will yield the classic 15g:60ml "doppio".

Its important that potential Ponte Vecchio buyers are aware that they can successfully use multiple pulls, more easily than on a La Pavoni (compare John's photos above to these below):

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I'll qualify these shots as being done hastily, without any careful "dialing in", and with month-old beans that have been stored in the freezer. Both "halves" of each shot tasted different, but both tasted good. If I get a chance I'll do some better ones when I get a new batch of beans.

I also want to note some good results I've had lately in dosing very low (8-10g) in the double basket, and taking one pull to yield a nice 50% ratio shot, 10g:20 ml. By dosing very low in the double basket one increased the volume of water that fills the cylinder, so one pull yields 20ml, vs. 15 ml when full.

Lastly, I just posted a tongue-in-cheek "maintenance" thread on the lever forum re: the Ponte Vecchio Export. The truth is I've used the daily for two years without having ANY mechanical issues. These machines are simple and trouble-free.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by timo888 on Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:05 am

peacecup wrote:Prof wrote:
When I owned the Sama Export for some reason I preferred the shots from the single basket. The puck was always firm and not chummy (or whatever term was used to describe a soupy basket). I wonder if the depth of the 45mm double basket contributes to that.


I've written this elsewhere, but I never have "soupy puck syndrome" (SPS) with the 45-mm double basket on my Ponte Vecchio. They pop out whole, firm, evenly wetted, no matter how many lever pulls.


There are two schools of thought on this subject, not Freudian and Jungian, but one which considers the intact puck a goal and the soupy puck undesirable; and one which holds that good extractions can leave the puck in either state or somewhere in between. *

peacecup wrote: In fact timo's argument is that NO TAMP is the best tamp, and I have been experimenting with his method. Amazingly, I get great espresso across a variety of grind/tamp levels, which further increases my respect for the little PV 45-mm srping lever group. It prety much impossible to screw up with this thing.


I'd say rather that with domestic lever machines in general and especially the lower brew pressure domestic spring lever, using freshly roasted (though degassed) beans and a good micro-adjustable or stepless grinder, you are more likely to get consistently good extractions with a very light tamp or no tamp at all. One should not be amazed by this :!: That you are amazed shows how very effective the tampanista propaganda has been.

People refer to the small lightweight plastic tampers that ship with Italian espresso machines as "P.O.S" tampers (and that doesn't mean point-of-sale). Form follows function: you do not need a heavy chunk of stainless steel to produce excellent results on these lever machines. I pulled an excellent single ristretto again this morning from the Cremina with a fine grind using Caffe D'Arte Firenze which has been in the fridge-top freezer for more than a week, and no tamp whatsoever.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by gscace on Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:47 am

timo888 wrote:I'd say rather that with domestic lever machines in general and especially the lower brew pressure domestic spring lever, using freshly roasted (though degassed) beans and a good micro-adjustable or stepless grinder, you are more likely to get consistently good extractions with a very light tamp or no tamp at all. One should not be amazed by this :!: That you are amazed shows how very effective the tampanista propaganda has been.

People refer to the small lightweight plastic tampers that ship with Italian espresso machines as "P.O.S" tampers (and that doesn't mean point-of-sale). Form follows function: you do not need a heavy chunk of stainless steel to produce excellent results on these lever machines. I pulled an excellent single ristretto again this morning from the Cremina with a fine grind using Caffe D'Arte Firenze which has been in the fridge-top freezer for more than a week, and no tamp whatsoever.

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P.S. Perhaps peacecup's opinions on this are colored by the arrival of a new "nestling" :D


I've been reading, trying out stuff, discarding what doesn't work for me, and keeping what does. I'm using taste first and foremost as my guide, but I'm also using the visual and audio clues as well. I'm not married to any particular tamping style, but I am married to consistency in whatever style one adopts. For the last couple of days I've been pretty much using the tamper as a levelling device only. Tamping force is equal to the weight of the tamper pretty much. I'm dosing level to the top of the double basket - dunno how much that is and I don't really care because it's producing good taste results for me. The visual difference between more tamp and the very light tamp that I have used the past couple of days is that the coffee cake seems more tolerant of multiple pulls. I'm guessing that this must have something to do with initial cake expansion when wetted, but I really dunno because I can't see into the cake with the pf locked into the group. Damn, I've lost my X-ray specs again.

I've also tried unlocking the portafilter when recocking the lever, in order to prevent suction produced by the piston's retraction. One can hear a slight sucking noise when recocking the piston if the pf is kept locked into the group. I don't hear this sound if I unlock the pf. I'm not sure I'm going to continue doing this as I think the act of twisting the pf to unlock it disturbs the cake more than keeping it locked into the group. I'm guessing that a cake that has expanded to fill the entire volume within the pf (basket and headspace) is really pretty stable and doesn't need babying.

I do think partially recocking the lever before removing the portafilter (to dump out the spent cake) cuts down on portafilter sneeze / mess.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by peacecup on Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:02 pm

Timo wrote:
I'd say rather that with domestic lever machines in general and especially the lower brew pressure domestic spring lever, using freshly roasted (though degassed) beans and a good micro-adjustable or stepless grinder, you are more likely to get consistently good extractions with a very light tamp or no tamp at all. One should not be amazed by this. That you are amazed shows how very effective the tampanista propaganda has been.


I can see that this discussion will be tangental to the Smackdown, so I have started a new thread on the lever forum:

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...to-tamp-t5491.html

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by HB on Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:14 am

Tonight's post will be a break from techniques discussion, returning to my general impressions that opened this thread, specifically in an area I neglected the first time around: cappuccinos.

Months have gone by where I only drank cappuccinos when family or friends visited. But with the clock ticking on the Lusso's stop at my place, I've prepared one a day for the last week. The cappuccino pictured below is typical of the milk's texture and my modest latte art skills. I made my job more difficult by using a 20 ounce pitcher because the smaller 12 ounce pitcher was employed as the "dispersion screen spritz" receptacle. It turns out the 12 ounce pitcher opening just encloses the bottom of the grouphead, which makes it ideal for a quick rinse (remove the portafilter, raise the pitcher's mouth over the bottom of the group, pull the lever... instant clean screen).

Nonetheless, this cappuccino looks OK and tasted great:

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Espresso is PT's Coffee La Bella Vita

I've never gotten the hang of leaf details on cappuccinos; the thicker microfoam always has soft edges. Before steaming, I warmed the cup using the water tap, a unique and handy feature among home lever machines. It splatters a little, but it's easily manageable if you open/close the valve slowly. The steam is vigorous, though it does fade towards the end of the texturing phase. Today I experimented with pausing for a moment to let the boiler catch up for larger volumes (9 ounces in the 20 ounce pitcher instead of 6 ounces in the 12 ounce pitcher). The reward was much better rolling and mixing action, which broke up larger bubbles that I'd otherwise have to "thunk and swirl" away.

Just another day at the office...

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by peacecup on Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:11 am

I have occasionally been using my single-boiler pump machine lately, and I must comment that waiting for the boiler to heat up for steaming milk is a real inconvenience. The ability of the lever machine to brew and steam simultaneously is a real bonus for cappuccinos.

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Link to "Lever Espresso Machines Smackdown"by HB on Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:45 am

Split follow on discussion Lever espresso machines are not the ultimate to the Lever Espresso Machines forum.
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