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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by happytamper on Mon May 22, 2006 9:42 am

I will be receiving the "caravel" Little some time the end of this week. Look forward to posting some images of this machine when I get it. I am wondering what the round dial on the right is for. Probably an on and off dial, but wouldn't it be great if it were a temperature adjustment dial.

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Concerning the La Peppinna. I am finding that it is very grind sensitive. And with my Zassenhaus it is hard to get a consistent grind but when I do the shots are good though they do have a little less body than on the La pavoni.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by mathias on Mon May 22, 2006 9:56 am

hbuchtel wrote:Mathias, I've added one of your pictures to the list, I hope you don't mind.

It seems that both the Caravel and Comocafe were given face-lifts in the 70's (?), I wonder if the Minigaggia had a curvier predecessor?

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Not at all Henry.

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Wed May 24, 2006 9:42 pm

Here is a front and rear view of the Pierre Cardin signature MiniGaggia.

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by hbuchtel on Wed May 24, 2006 11:03 pm

happytamper wrote:I will be receiving the "caravel" Little some time the end of this week. Look forward to posting some images of this machine when I get it. I am wondering what the round dial on the right is for. Probably an on and off dial, but wouldn't it be great if it were a temperature adjustment dial.


The old ones definitely had a dial controlling temperature (I think directly controlling the thermostat?), so it is a safe guess that yours has one too.

Another one "in the family"!

timo888 wrote:Here is a front and rear view of the Pierre Cardin signature MiniGaggia


Very pretty! I wonder why they chose a French brand . . . must have raised a few Italian eyebrows :)
Do you know when it was produced?

Here's a bit of a mystery, any idea why this Peppina is so bulky? The seller says it can steam, and the little diagram seems to support that, but the boiler-cap has no steam-wand . . .

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by another_jim on Wed May 24, 2006 11:32 pm

hbuchtel wrote:
Here's a bit of a mystery, any idea why this Peppina is so bulky? The seller says it can steam, and the little diagram seems to support that, but the boiler-cap has no steam-wand . . .


I got a note on it ... these were made for Faema dealers and it was sold under the Faema label.

It could be that there's a thermoblock and some sort of steam discharge in the bulky group; but I'm guessing it has the usual steamer lid and the switch boosts the heat.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by mogogear on Wed May 24, 2006 11:39 pm

another_jim wrote:I got a note on it ... these were made for Faema dealers and it was sold under the Faema label.

It could be that there's a thermoblock and some sort of steam discharge in the bulky group; but I'm guessing it has the usual steamer lid and the switch boosts the heat.


Henry,
Can you get us a shot of the lid- that is a horse of a different color for sure!! So as Jim said- a two stage heating element but no obvious steam port? Take that thing apart and give us a look at the "innards" :wink:
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by hbuchtel on Thu May 25, 2006 12:10 am

mogogear wrote:Henry,
Can you get us a shot of the lid-


Sorry, I should have posted this one to begin with-

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The sale (on ebay.it) still has 7 days, I won't copy the link just in case somebody is hoping I won't post the link :wink:

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by mogogear on Thu May 25, 2006 12:23 am

hbuchtel wrote:Sorry, I should have posted this one to begin with-

image: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/hbuchtel/Rside.jpg

The sale (on ebay.it) still has 7 days, I won't copy the link just in case somebody is hoping I won't post the link :wink:

Henry


That makes two LP I have in my watching category and one caravel and one caravel Little-just like Mitchels new one!
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 7:47 am

hbuchtel wrote:Very pretty! I wonder why they chose a French brand . . . must have raised a few Italian eyebrows :)


Pierre Cardin MiniGaggia 1970, AFAIK.

Pierre, for a time he was all the rage, no? Here is Castro giving Pierre the original idea for the MiniGaggia prototype. Castro envisions a threaded 'group cap' between the group and piston cylinder, with a one-way valve to keep crud out of the boiler. Unfortunately, this design feature did not make it into the production model.

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Spiffy dressers both, wouldn't you say, each in his own way?
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by hbuchtel on Thu May 25, 2006 8:06 am

timo888 wrote:
Castro envisions a threaded 'group cap' between the group and piston cylinder, with a one-way valve to keep crud out of the boiler


So that's where you've been getting your ideas from! :)

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by hbuchtel on Thu May 25, 2006 10:25 am

Good lord . . another one.

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Described by the seller as "The Famous "Kim" Bologna."

Any clues?

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 11:30 am

hbuchtel wrote:Described by the seller as "The Famous "Kim" Bologna."
Any clues?

There was one on eBay recently, and it sold for $79. What do you do, leave the boiler cap open for brewing and close it only for steam? Or is this a closed-boiler?
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by happytamper on Thu May 25, 2006 12:13 pm

Its seems we have the gravity lever market covered. I had both of those in my ebay watch list. Seems someone :shock:
just got a good deal on a Caravel. Hmm, wonder who....
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 1:31 pm

happytamper wrote:Its seems we have the gravity lever market covered. I had both of those in my ebay watch list. Seems someone :shock:
just got a good deal on a Caravel. Hmm, wonder who....

It may have come into the new owner's possession this very morning. He may wonder if this little ship be watertight, and if they who named her Caravel were playing on the Greek? For she do look mighty like a hornéd beetle.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by peacecup on Thu May 25, 2006 3:35 pm

Well, someone named hbuchtel just nabbed an orange Chaval off ebay for 48 Euros!
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 5:41 pm

The Caravel does come apart very easily but how to disassemble the piston is not immediately apparent to me. Initial tests suggest it likes a fairly coarse grind. The lever feels quite delicate in comparison to the Cremina's.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by hbuchtel on Thu May 25, 2006 7:35 pm

peacecup wrote:Well, someone named hbuchtel just nabbed an orange Chaval off ebay for 48 Euros!


Er. . . ahem . .well . . yes! I'm glad to join the Caravel Club. That one had an awful picture and no details, it's no surprise there were no other bidders. I do hope it's watertight as it (along with the Zerowatt) will indeed will be travelling by sea. With a specially trained mouse at the helm.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 8:16 pm

The Caravel has a hollow piston. In the center of the piston head is a porthole with a moving metal peg (see yellow arrow). When the piston retreats up away from the filter basket, the peg also retreats a little, opening the port hole. Water flows through a slot in the kettle into the hollow piston and down to the porthole and into the piston chamber. When the piston advances towards the puck, the peg also moves forward and closes the porthole, leaving the water no place to go but out through the puck.
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When the piston is fully retracted, you can see an o-ring which fits into a slot on the inside wall of the piston chamber, rather than onto the piston. This seals the piston chamber.

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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by timo888 on Thu May 25, 2006 9:05 pm

I just pulled a very nice shot of Paradise Roaster's S.O. Brazil Yellow Bourbon on the Caravel. The machine produces a sweet, gentle espresso.
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Link to "Incomplete list of Gravity-fed lever machines"by happytamper on Thu May 25, 2006 9:37 pm

timo888 wrote:I just pulled a very nice shot of Paradise Roaster's S.O. Brazil Yellow Bourbon on the Caravel. The machine produces a sweet, gentle espresso.


How do you compare the difference between the Caravel and the La Peppina, or the La Pavoni?
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