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Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic...

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Link to "Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic..."by Foie Gras on Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:03 am

It's been a bit of a slog, but just starting to get real rewards.

After 3 years of ownership of a Gaggia Classic, I decided to invest some effort in getting my espressos more like the nectar occasionally experienced elsewhere. The first thing I noticed was that my espressos were cooler and I assumed that it was the capability of the machine not pushing out hot enough water or at too low pressure.

However, after reading a few tips I cracked the temperature issues by leaving the portafilter on the machine while it warms up - still not hot enough though. Then came the warming of the cups on the top of the machine - closer but not there yet. Then, my wife sorted it by filling the cup with water straight out of the kettle for a minute or two before pulling the shot. Bulls-Eye! Hot espresso 8)

Then came the taste, crema and volume - all of these are inter-related and I started playing with the grind, tamping, start-dump, centre-cut etc etc etc :roll:

I had always previously filled the basked to about 2/3 of a fine grind and given it a gentle tamp (nothing like 30 lbs) - this worked generally well for about 3 years - but I knew there was better to be had. The first attempts to get 20g in the basket were a bit of a disaster as I couldn't tamp it enough to fit the portafilter to the head; so I cut back on the dosing. Then when I could fit it, I got about 1/3 oz in 30 seconds of really bitter black stuff - obviously not the way forward and something had to give.

Reading something somewhere, I adjusted the grind to be coarser and started filling the basket full again. It was a little counter-intuitive about how I could tamp a coarser grind than a fine grind, but it seemed to work and I can now full the basket and tamp (energetically) down to a level that still allows me to fit the PF. Imagine my surprise then when my first shot from this pulled about 2oz in 30 secs - WooHoo! Progress.

Now the taste - too bitter. Start-dumping was the way forward (so I read) and started dumping the first black extraction that had no crema and then placing the (hot) cup under the head. No bitterness now, but not much "taste-kick" either - it was all a bit mild.

So now, it's a carefully judged thing to dump about half of the black stuff to retain the kick but lose most of the bitterness. Results are still a little inconsistent though.


Blonding though is still a bit of a mystery to me, I can't really tell when it happens - oh well, more experimentation required :lol: :lol:




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Link to "Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic..."by beaner on Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:13 am

Foie Gras wrote:
However, after reading a few tips I cracked the temperature issues by leaving the portafilter on the machine while it warms up - still not hot enough though. Then came the warming of the cups on the top of the machine - closer but not there yet. Then, my wife sorted it by filling the cup with water straight out of the kettle for a minute or two before pulling the shot. Bulls-Eye! Hot espresso 8)

FG


You should always keep the portafilter in the machine when warming up. Also, you may want to pull a blank shot with your portafilter in and you espresso demitasse catching the hot water (in turn, warming the cup). That usually speeds up the warming process for all your internals.
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Link to "Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic..."by Foie Gras on Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:39 am

Thanks Beaner - pulled a blank shot last night and another small incremental improvement.

I usually drink my coffee from a larger thin china cup and found that pulling the blank shot into the cup doesn't warm it enough.

Cheers,



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Link to "Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic..."by welone on Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:03 am

Hello there

As I'm also just beginning to explore my classic and therefore I really appreciate to hear from other Classic owners!

Foie Gras wrote:Blonding though is still a bit of a mystery to me, I can't really tell when it happens - oh well, more experimentation required


I also have my problems with blonding: Even if the the first 20 sec of the pour (15 sec of actually espresso flowing out) is a quite dark brown with a bit of tiger striping, in most cases it starts to get blond and a bit bubbly afterwards.

I read of several reasons for blonding and "bubbling":

1. When I overfill the basket (after WDT and stockfleth's it's just "level" with the top of the basket) this leads, as I'm guessing, to the puck breaking away from the side walls when the swelling reaches a critical magnitude. If it's quite heavily overfilled it could look like this

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It has quite a strong imprint of the shower screen but it didn't evidently break away form the sidewalls. My problem is that even when the imprint is a bit less strong the blonding and slight bubbling appears after 20 sec :( ?!
To describe the degree of "bubbly" more accurate: the two streams from my PF get a diameter of approx. 0.3 inch compared to the two mouse tails before (approx. 0.1 inch)

So after reading the post about bubbly shots (mentioned above) it could also be:

2. The fresh beans (max. 3 days from roasting when I buy them) since they are just not enough degassed. But also 4 days later it didn't get much better; but maybe I still waited not long enough..

I also made some tests concerning the temperature: there's a bit of vapor coming out together with the water when I start the pump (without the PF inserted). So I guess I don't have too high temp. The maximum temperature I could repeatedly measure in the outlet of my PF was 200 deg F; this was after letting it heat up for at least 30 min. I made the measurements with an oven thermometer :cry: I know I can't judge the actual brew temp by that (too large probe, false location) but I found it to be quite consistent which helps me already a lot.

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Link to "Getting there after 3 years with Gaggia Classic..."by DC on Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:47 am

Hi,

I'm only a beginner in diagnosing extractions but to me the puck in the first picture looks much darker on one side. If its not a shadow/damp patch/break in the top of the puck, I'd tentatively suggest this side was over-extracting. The second one looks like it has a heavy impression of the showerscreen on it, perhaps over-dosed? You could try dosing less and grinding finer.

Make sure you are not confusing the progression of the pour with blonding, which I did for a while. In other words, the pour will get a bit lighter as it progresses. The way I look for blonding with a naked pf is to look for a change in the 'reflectivity' of the flow. It changes from foamy and thick, to watery. Using spouts you could check the entry points of the flow into the crema as shown in cannonfodder's pic in this 'working the shot' will help you too.

Hope this helps, but perhaps at this point someone more 'At One with The Pour' will step in :)

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