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A few hints from Heather Perry

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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Marshall on Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:37 pm

I have attended all of Heather Perry's espresso classes at the three annual SCAA Consumer Homecomings. So, I took note of what I thought might have been some new suggestions at the "Coffee, Tea & Me" show in Pasadena last weekend:

1. As you dose, move the portafilter around and fill the basket edges first, then work your way to the center.

2. Disturb the grounds as little as possible while leveling them off with your finger.

3. After the first tamp, don't bother tapping the basket to knock the grounds off the walls. Although she still does it herself VERY LIGHTLY out of habit, she said she has stopped recommending the tap in training, because so many people knock the basket too hard and disturb the cake.

4. Polish with a very light back and forth twist.

Most of my barista habits are things I have copied from Heather over the years, and they have worked very well for me at home. They are one of the reasons I have so little patience with some of the elaborate rituals and measuring techniques that some on-line consumers have promoted. Great espresso really isn't that hard. It just takes practice.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Niko on Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:58 pm

Marshall wrote:2. Disturb the grounds as little as possible while leveling them off with your finger.

3. After the first tamp, don't bother tapping the basket to knock the grounds off the walls.
Those are the two most important things for me, Marshall. I do get better shots when the cake is least disturbed.
For me, second tamp equals disaster...I'm better off with a single downward motion to get it down into the basket, grinds on the walls and everything, etc..

Great advice!
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Matthew Brinski on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:13 pm

Marshall wrote:I have attended all of Heather Perry's espresso classes at the three annual SCAA Consumer Homecomings. So, I took note of what I thought might have been some new suggestions at the "Coffee, Tea & Me" show in Pasadena last weekend:

1. As you dose, move the portafilter around and fill the basket edges first, then work your way to the center.

2. Disturb the grounds as little as possible while leveling them off with your finger.

3. After the first tamp, don't bother tapping the basket to knock the grounds off the walls. Although she still does it herself VERY LIGHTLY out of habit, she said she has stopped recommending the tap in training, because so many people knock the basket too hard and disturb the cake.

4. Polish with a very light back and forth twist.

Most of my barista habits are things I have copied from Heather over the years, and they have worked very well for me at home. They are one of the reasons I have so little patience with some of the elaborate rituals and measuring techniques that some on-line consumers have promoted. Great espresso really isn't that hard. It just takes practice.


Marshall,

I agree with everything you wrote, I just find it funny that you refer to these basic steps as "new suggestions". As you implied, they are simple concepts but require attention ... I especially think attention to steps #1 and #2 will solve virtually all uneven extraction troubles.

... actually, I can see where you might imply these suggestions as being "new" when introduced to beginners who come on board thinking that they need dissecting needles.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Jarno on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:29 pm

Matthew Brinski wrote:... actually, I can see where you might imply these suggestions as being "new" when introduced to beginners who come on board thinking that they need dissecting needles.



ok.... no more laughing... :oops:
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Randii on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:36 pm

Another thing Heather mentioned at "Coffee, Tea & Me" - which she taught me - is to taste the extraction with a spoon during the pour, every few seconds. You can taste the difference at each "level" of extraction and it is easier to tell when the extraction is completed, because the flavor disappears. (It's kind of hard to identify blonding visually). That tip helped me to improve my shots.

I'll be taking my first official class from Heather next weekend. Heather is a great teacher!
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Marshall on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:39 pm

Matthew Brinski wrote:I agree with everything you wrote, I just find it funny that you refer to these basic steps as "new suggestions".

I thought I was clear that they were just things I hadn't heard from Heather before. No claims of originality were made by Heather or by me.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Marshall on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:52 pm

Randii wrote:Another thing Heather mentioned at "Coffee, Tea & Me" - which she taught me - is to taste the extraction with a spoon during the pour, every few seconds. You can taste the difference at each "level" of extraction and it is easier to tell when the extraction is completed, because the flavor disappears. (It's kind of hard to identify blonding visually). That tip helped me to improve my shots.


SCAA sells a 3-cup tool for this purpose: http://scaa.org/shop/product_detail.asp?productid=R800500.

Andy Schecter was making and selling his own 6-cup version earlier in the year as a fund raiser for Coffee Kids: http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/297967.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Bertie Doe on Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:47 pm

Randii wrote:Another thing Heather mentioned at "Coffee, Tea & Me" - which she taught me - is to taste the extraction with a spoon during the pour, every few seconds. You can taste the difference at each "level" of extraction and it is easier to tell when the extraction is completed, because the flavor dissapears. (It's kind of hard to identify blonding visually). That tip helped me to improve my shots.

I'll be taking my first official class from Heather next weekend. Heather is a great teacher!


Marshall wrote:SCAA sells a 3-cup tool for this purpose: http://scaa.org/shop/product_detail.asp?productid=R800500.

Andy Schecter was making and selling his own 6-cup version earlier in the year as a fund raiser for Coffee Kids: http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/297967.


Hmmm, that's interesting. It suggests that the '2oz pour' (from a double) isn't necessarily writ in tablets of stone. I prefer 1.5oz in an espresso, partly to remove blonding from the equation, but mainly because I enjoy the intensity of flavor. Is there a general trend toward the shorter shot, or does it depend on the bean or roast?

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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by EspressoObsessed on Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:51 pm

Where does this leave those of us who underdose, either because we have Rocky/Silvia combinations or follow the advice in this thread: http://www.home-barista.com/forums/basket-overdosing-time-for-serious-re-evaluation-t4501.html? Leveling isn't possible at lower doses, and Ken's advice to grind really, really fine and use a minimal tamp doesn't seem to work for R&S. I'll keep my dissecting needle.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by cannonfodder on Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:01 pm

Marshall wrote:I have attended all of Heather Perry's espresso classes at the three annual SCAA Consumer Homecomings. So, I took note of what I thought might have been some new suggestions at the "Coffee, Tea & Me" show in Pasadena last weekend:

1. As you dose, move the portafilter around and fill the basket edges first, then work your way to the center.

2. Disturb the grounds as little as possible while leveling them off with your finger.

3. After the first tamp, don't bother tapping the basket to knock the grounds off the walls. Although she still does it herself VERY LIGHTLY out of habit, she said she has stopped recommending the tap in training, because so many people knock the basket too hard and disturb the cake.
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Interesting, I have been doing the exact same thing for months now, I mentioned it when I had the grinders for the titan grinder project. I actually move the portafilter in a circular motion, not just a left right move of the portafilter handle but while holding the handle pointing at me I move the entire portafilter in a circular motion while dosing. That doses around the outside of the basket then the last pull or two into the center of the basket.

That works especially well when properly dosing a 14-15gram dose which is well below the rim of the basket. I then simply knock off the top of the center mound, thump the portafilter on the tamping stand 3 times to settle out the grounds then do a light tamp with a no pressure tamper spin to polish. No fuss and perfect almost every time. And I did away with the portafilter tap between tamps, one tamp and no tap tap.

The circular motion of the portafilter works best if you have a bottomless portafilter or simply remove the portafilter forks off the grinder .
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Marshall on Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:50 pm

EspressoObsessed wrote:Where does this leave those of us who underdose, either because we have Rocky/Silvia combinations or follow the advice in this thread: http://www.home-barista.com/forums/basket-overdosing-time-for-serious-re-evaluation-t4501.html? Leveling isn't possible at lower doses, and Ken's advice to grind really, really fine and use a minimal tamp doesn't seem to work for R&S. I'll keep my dissecting needle.

You can level with your pinkie without filling to the top. I do.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Psyd on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:00 pm

EspressoObsessed wrote:Where does this leave those of us who underdose, because we have Rocky/Silvia combinations


I dose level, and I use the Rocky/Silvia combo at my girlfriends house. I use the LM style baskets leveled with a Stockfleths, and I'm getting absolutely rock-solid excellent results.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by cannonfodder on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:38 pm

There are as many ways to level your dose as there are home baristas. It is simply a matter of what works for you. I find that with a below the rim dose, the method that I use, and apparently Heather as well, works well for me.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by k7qz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am

cannonfodder wrote:That works especially well when properly dosing a 14-15gram dose which is well below the rim of the basket. I then simply knock off the top of the center mound, thump the portafilter on the tamping stand 3 times to settle out the grounds then do a light tamp with a no pressure tamper spin to polish. No fuss and perfect almost every time. And I did away with the portafilter tap between tamps, one tamp and no tap tap.


Interesting. My routine mirrors Dave's exactly. Maybe it's "great minds think alike"? :wink: OTOH, it could be that this is the "diet" an A3 seems to prefer-

It also reinforces a belief that I have only recently come to hold (largely due to Ken's "time for a re-evaluation" thread), which Heather seems to champion as well (no pun intended! :lol: ), at least as I understand her via Marshall's nice summary OP. IOW, the less one "disturbs" the grinds in the basket prior to pulling the shot, the more consistent (and hence better) the results are in the cup- as long as we are comparing grinders & machines in the same category. That is to say, my decaf grinder is a little DL Rocky and this grinder produces clumped grounds to such a degree that it seems to benefit from a little WDT action.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by RapidCoffee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:52 pm

I've never had the honor of watching Heather pull shots. However, notes from Mike at Coffee Klatch indicate she favors high doses, at least during competitions:
Heather believes all perform best with great crema using a bit of a dose up method. She uses about 22+ grams and runs just at or under an ounce (till it begins to change to blond) in 26 to 27 seconds with the machine at 201.

"All" refers to four Coffee Klatch espresso blends, all world class: House Espresso, Belle Espresso, USBC Blend and WBC Blend. I believe that "ounce" may be per spout (for a total of two ounces), but I'm not sure.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by jesawdy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:25 am

Regarding Coffee Klatch recommended dosing:
RapidCoffee wrote:I believe that "ounce" may be per spout (for a total of two ounces), but I'm not sure.

It does indeed mean two ounces.

I am of the opinion that once you get a good enough grinder, most of the rituals we subscribe to are not usually necessary. With the Mazzer Super Jolly and the Cimbali Max which I have been using for several months now, (both with dosers), there seems to be no difference in the quality of the drink if I "thwack, thwack" the doser, or just let it fill for about 10 seconds and then dose. Finger level, NSEW level, Stockfleth's, jostle level (for a lower dose), WDT, they are yield similarly good results.

I may get the occasional self healing spritzy, but most of my bottomless pours look good.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by TimEggers on Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:33 am

I've been sticking with the grind, dose, and level tamp myself with great results. I am finding though that I am using slightly higher doses but the espresso remains excellent. I also have my machine dialed down to a low 7.75 bar too so this may compensate the attack quotient for me.

Before the higher doses were too aggressive for my tastes, now with the lower pressures I am able to use more coffee, get the gloppy slow pours (that don't channel at all) that result in sweet chocolaty syrup. Yum, man this is fun!

Dave my routine almost mirrors yours. I have even better results when I removed my portafilter holding fork (as you mention) and am able to hold the portafilter even lower. Each thwack of the doser sends a grounds "spray" that almost covers the entire basket at once. A few thwacks like this a quick level and tamp and I'm pulling the best gloppy tasty shots of my life.
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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Randii on Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:01 am

Today I had the honor and pleasure of taking Heather's home barista class. Heather helped me to refine my technique, cleaned up a lot of bad habits and bad advice I had acquired, and got rid of a lot of extraneous tools I thought I needed to make espresso. She taught me to work intuitively with the coffee, without the various "crutches" that newbies tend to depend on, like scales, timers, thermometers and yoghurt cups.

Heather taught me how to look carefully at a puck to understand how the espresso is extracting and to help clean up my distribution and tamping technique. She even taught me how to froth milk in only two tries, which I thought would take hours for me to learn! Heather taught me how to pour latte art, which I had never attempted (I will be practicing so I can show her a perfect heart!).

Heather is an excellent teacher and I would highly recommend her classes. There are things that you just can't learn on your own. Reading about espresso technique and watching videos only gets you so far. You need the experience of being taught directly by a real master of the art, to completely develop your skills. Someone who can perfect your technique and make changes as needed. I learned more in the few hours I spent with Heather than I have learned in all months I have spent trying to learn on my own.

Heather reminded me that espresso is an *art* as well as a science. Once you throw all of the extraneous tools away, you step into the realm of art.

Thank You Heather for a wonderful experience!

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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Randii on Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:09 am

Oh, and Marshall,

Heather still thinks you should re-consider that GS/3! :lol:

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Link to "A few hints from Heather Perry"by Beezer on Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:23 am

Thanks for posting your experience with Heather's class, Randii. I considered taking her class myself. In fact, my wife asked me if she should get me the class as a 40th birthday present, which I thought was a great idea, but a bit too pricey. Now I'm wondering if maybe I should have taken her up on her generous offer.
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