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Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?

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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by coffeenut on Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:39 pm

I'm looking for an E61 model espresso machine and am having trouble choosing between the Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic and BFC Junior Plus. If any of you have experiences or opinions on any of these machines plz share. Thanks!

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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by another_jim on Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:11 pm

Just googling the pictures, the Brasilia and BFC look like the standard 1.2 liter E61, same as the Isomac Millenium and many others. The Quickmill used to be this same machine, but they have upgraded to a 1.8 liter vertical boiler. Shot quality is the same, but the steaming on the 1.8 liter boilers is way better.
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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by HB on Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:46 pm

The site reviews include the Andreja Premium and the cousin of the Junior Plus ("Levetta"), La Valentina ("Junior").
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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by julioale on Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:19 pm

Read this post, Ramdomperson and Dan helped me to decide for the Levetta. The Levetta is known for her commercial quality components, such as the pressurestat Sirai, the GICAR auto refill circuit and heavy duty wiring. These components cost additional in Quickmills machines.

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...lentina-t1787.html


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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by HB on Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:34 pm

julioale wrote:These components cost additional in Quickmills machines.

It's true that the Sirai pressurestat is an added cost for the Andreja Premium, but it comes stock with a Gicar controller and commercial quality over-pressure valve. One area BFC does fall short is the frame - instead of the heavy gauge stainless steel of the Quickmills, it's folded galvanized sheet metal.
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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by keno on Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:51 pm

HB wrote:One area BFC does fall short is the frame - instead of the heavy gauge stainless steel of the Quickmills, it's folded galvanized sheet metal.


Dan,

I have a Valentina and the frame is certainly not "sheet metal" (which in my mind connotes thin and flimsy - the stuff duct work is made out of). It's probably about 3 mm thick steel (however the frame is made from multiple pieces bolted together, not welded like the frames on other machines). Also, it appears to be zinc plated (that yellow color that zinc plated screws take on) not galvanized. I think the older models may have been galvanized. Mine was purchased in February 2006.

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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by HB on Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:11 pm

keno wrote:I have a Valentina and the frame is certainly not "sheet metal" (which in my mind connotes thin and flimsy - the stuff duct work is made out of).

It was not my intent to imply La Valentina's frame is flimsy, but comparatively speaking, Valentina's frame has more flex than the Andreja Premium's. It's certainly adequate for the task.

keno wrote:Also, it appears to be zinc plated (that yellow color that zinc plated screws take on) not galvanized.

galvanized: to coat (metal, esp. iron or steel) with zinc.
galvanization ... has largely come to be associated with zinc coatings, to the exclusion of other metals.
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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by Everman on Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:00 am

I got a Valentina Levetta (BFC Junior Plus with lever) around November of last year. I can certainly say it's an absolutely great machine. It was about the same price as the Andreja Premium at the time and what really won me over was slightly higher end components (pressurestat, and nickel plated copper boiler), and a major issue was also how good it looks. It isn't as boxy like most e61 machiens, it has more style.

My degree of usage: 2-3 double shots per day, 1-2 have steamed milk at most. I do like my straight shots.

That said, you'll really like any of these machines.
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Link to "Experiences with Quickmill Andreja Premium, Brasilia Mini Classic or BFC Junior Plus?"by luca on Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:16 am

Like many people, I'm afraid that I can only shed light on part of the equation ...

I have a Maver Marte (the Australian edition sold as the "Makin Espresso"). This machine is manufactured by BFC and is the 240V version. BFC manufactures a number of HX machines and I'm sure that they swap components in and out as it suits them. I would be that the group head and the boiler on my machine, the levetta version of the BFC junior and the levetta version of the Diadema and La Valentina prosumer machines, also manufactured by BFC, would be exactly the same. I don't know that that necessarily means that these machines will all perform similarly, though ... I know that David Makin did a bit of tweaking to the Marte before he decided to import them into Australia.

Anyhoo, those caveats out of the way, I'm prepared to say that I haven't found a prosumer machine that can best the Marte on espresso quality and I have tried almost everything that is available in Australia - that's why I bought my machine. The group head idles at a sensible temperature, so the "cooling flush" is very short and, frankly, perhaps unnecessary. In terms of steam, it's a bit slower than some other machines in the class and I thought that the steam tip that it now ships with was terrible, until I realised that it required me to change my technique from what I use at work. Steaming is fine for a single cappuccino, a bit slow for two milk-based drinks and you will watch the grass grow whilst steaming for two large milk drinks - although it's not entirely clear to me why anyone would ever need to do that. Pressure recovers very quickly after steaming. The drip tray is nice and deep. The stainless steel finish is as irritating to keep clean as on anything else and the over pressure valve is awkwardly positioned. My machine does not have the large commercial sirai pressurestat but, rather, a MATER pressurestat with about a 0.1 bar deadband. Given that my work machine has a tiny CEME pressurestat on the steam boiler and that this pressurestat seems to work quite well, I'm not particularly fussed. I sometimes wonder if a rotary pump, plumbed in, machine wouldn't produce better quality shots, though.

... anyhoo, I'm not sure how useful any of that advice is, given that you probably won't have any way of knowing if my experiences are applicable to your BFC machine.

I suggest that you try every machine that you are considering buying. Before doing so, go and buy a consistent, freshly roasted commercially available blend that you would be likely to use and arrange for that to be used for every machine that you test. Be sure to explain to anyone demonstrating the machine that you are more than happy for them to throw out a lot of shots dialing the blend in. The last thing that you want is to buy a machine based on the barista using it, rather than the machine itself. Buy the machine that is the easiest to use, has the best support locally and pulls the best shots.

To tell you the truth, unless you already are quite familiar with making espresso and have developed your coffee palate, it will probably be difficult for you to work out which machine will actually deliver the best results for the coffee that you want to use. You can, however, take solace in the fact that few people seem to sell a prosumer HX machine to buy a different prosumer HX machine.

Just my $0.02,
Good luck!

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