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Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina

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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by perstare on Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:48 am

Since there is no substitute for experience, I thought I would seek out a hands-on training session. If I could find someone giving a class on espresso machines, I would feel a lot more comfortable dropping (or should I say investing) 1500-2000 (yeah, i know once upon a time my budget was 1100).

So after some discussions on this thread and a review of a few others, I have come down to the following:

Anita or Vibiemme or Bric or La Valentina to be paired with:

Mazzer Mini or Macap M4

Does anyone know who in New York City offers espresso instruction, and
Last thoughts or preferences on my varied choices.
Thanks.
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by Randy G. on Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:22 am

Better yet- Find someone local who has one of those machines, or similar machine, and "invite yourself over."

I don't want to take sides on which machine to get- mainly because I have some experience with one of them being a new and happy owner. That, and with no experience with the other machines I can't recommend one over another.

The basics are easy to learn. grind- dose- tamp- water dance (for E-61), scream out "FIRE IN THE HOLE!" and pull the lever up. There are huge amounts of resources online, and honestly, the basics are simple. Sure, a class would be great, but a few weeks of hands-on at home can go a long way towards making you feel more comfortable with the process. As far as long term- it's a mere 6½ years for me of daily espresso prep and coffee roasting at home and I am still learning. I spent five minutes listening to a pro roster talk to someone about roasting and I felt like I just saw my first coffee bean.

Another alternative is to decide on a set up, get it, then invite someone from this group or some other source over. I did that with a pro coffee friend, and even after 4 years of experience he showed me one or two little things that really helped.

Remember that this is a long term investment (it should be- you're spending more that I did on my first new car!).

I think Chris Coffee has a showroom filled with working machines. Other than that, put the word out here that you want to visit someone with those or similar machines- offer to bring the beer and steaks and you most likely will get more training then you can absorb!.. You would have me at "beer." That and an airline ticket.. never seen NY.. :wink:

Specifically- if you have a choice and can't decide, spend a little more on the grinder and a little less on the machine. The grinder is the most important part of that equation.
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by perstare on Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:41 am

Thanks, Randy for the sound advice. Let me engage you further on the subject of grinders.
I stopped considering the Cimbali Jr. grinder because of noise issues. I don't want to receive noise complaints from my now friendly neighbors (this being New York City, the manner of living is in apartment buildings with many tenants).
So the Mazzer Mini and Macap M4 became serious contenders. Now I'm thinking why not even spend a "little" more
and get a conical burr grinder?

By the way I understand and appreciate that a class is not an end-all; that the fun of all this is the continued learning experience that comes with time.

What would you recommend to "upgrade" from the Mazzer Mini or Macap M4?
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by HB on Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:33 am

perstare wrote:I stopped considering the Cimbali Jr. grinder because of noise issues. I don't want to receive noise complaints from my now friendly neighbors (this being New York City, the manner of living is in apartment buildings with many tenants). So the Mazzer Mini and Macap M4 became serious contenders.

The Cimbali Junior motor is slightly louder when the grinder is empty, otherwise it's about the same as any other grinder. Your neighbors certainly would not notice an audible difference among these three grinders.
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by Randy G. on Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:16 am

perstare wrote:Thanks, Randy for the sound advice. Let me engage you further on the subject of grinders.
I stopped considering the Cimbali Jr. grinder because of noise issues.... I Now I'm thinking why not even spend a "little" more and get a conical burr grinder?

I would recommend reading the entire Titan Grinder Project. I lost my mind and decided on the Mazzer Kony only because the Robur was way too expensive! It won't be here for about a month or two, so I can't comment on it right now. I've been using a Rocky and have wanted to go stepless for about 4 years. before I settled on the Kony I was seriously considering the Mazzer Mini E Type B because of the way it works and the larger burr set than the Mini.

'll check my mailbox for the airline ticket later today... :wink:
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A differnt option?

Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by CyclingCraig on Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:54 pm

Living in NYC you have a couple of really good espresso bars you can visit and it can give you a good basis to compare your work to.

You can get you equipment, then thru trial and error... reading and posting here, your shots will quickly be on par with the local espresso bars.

Check out these places:
http://www.joetheartofcoffee.com/
http://www.cafegrumpy.com
http://ninthstreetespresso.com/

I have only been to grumpy, and thought is was very good, but I heard good things about all.

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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by chelya on Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:02 pm

CyclingCraig wrote:Living in NYC you have a couple of really good espresso bars you can visit and it can give you a good basis to compare your work to.

You can get you equipment, then thru trial and error... reading and posting here, your shots will quickly be on par with the local espresso bars.

Check out these places:
http://www.joetheartofcoffee.com/
http://www.cafegrumpy.com
http://ninthstreetespresso.com/

I have only been to grumpy, and thought is was very good, but I heard good things about all.

-Craig


Grumpy has cupping events every couple of weeks - subscribe to their email list for more
Joe the art of coffee does coffee classes for beginners every fall and spring - subscribe to their email list to be the first to know about them

I recently helped a friend of mine to get Anita + Mazzer Mini and then helped him to get up to speed without any prior espresso experience. It took 3 sessions and about 2 weeks to get him to a very decent level. Find someone who is willing to help.

Where are you in NY?
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by perstare on Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:57 pm

Hi Craig, I reside in Manhattan and have succeeded in getting on the mailing lists of the cafes you mentioned: one of which
has already contacted me, advising instruction in September. Thanks again for the referrals. Sol
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by CyclingCraig on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:12 am

Hey chelya

Where you at in NJ... I am in somerset, just curious if we were close?

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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by chelya on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:52 am

CyclingCraig wrote:Hey chelya

Where you at in NJ... I am in somerset, just curious if we were close?

-Craig

I am 30 min away from you :) - in Old Bridge.
To go completely off topic I used to go to Somerset Colonial Park leash-free dog area before they built another one that is closer to me.
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by CyclingCraig on Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:15 pm

I am about 1.5 miles from Colonial Park... I go thru that park about 4 days a week !

Maybe one day we could have a tasting? I NEVER had anyone really taste my espresso and was curious if I am doing OK (Had my equipment for less than a year)...

Also can't do Latte art for the LIFE of me
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Link to "Espresso Training Class in New York City? Need to Decide: Anita/Vibiemme/Valentina"by chelya on Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:23 pm

CyclingCraig wrote:I am about 1.5 miles from Colonial Park... I go thru that park about 4 days a week !

Maybe one day we could have a tasting? I NEVER had anyone really taste my espresso and was curious if I am doing OK (Had my equipment for less than a year)...

Also can't do Latte art for the LIFE of me


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