Everman wrote:Isn't this not far off from the price of a sample roaster?
Everman wrote:I have a lot to learn about roasting, what you pictured is what I had in mind, also an example is here: http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/173954 And here too: http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasters_sample_pro.html Basically a drum roaster, either gas or electric, that can do 1-3 lbs with control over everything going on. I've wondered about building my own, how complicated that would be?
Ken Fox wrote:If someone would manufacture a simple 1lb or 2lb drum roaster, at a price point of around $2,000, I think there would be a real market for it, given the enthusiasm for homeroasting and how much people willingly spend on their espresso gear.
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You mean, it's not reasonable to spend $4k and immediately hack the sucker to control the heater with a variac!? While personally I believe the two stage baffled air design would be adequate and upward ramp temp too fast a non issue, might as while control it with a variable control too. Heck, I already have the variable boost voltage controls for it, just need the IT to play with. I'd be interested to see how well it would profile a full pound with variable 20% voltage boost to heater.Rainman wrote:... but a simple knob that cranks the heat, and adequate ventilation to slow the upward ramp wouldn't seem too difficult to build. That along with a well-placed and good quality TC, for me would be key to controlling the roast...Ray

miKe mcKoffee wrote:I'd disagree a roaster of this nature should be simplified for easier operation. Roaster control is the name of the game for profiling a roast! Maybe optional simplified operation for those who want push button operating.
FWIW my example of Diedrich roasting wasn't a huge bag roaster but rather the IR3 a 1-7# roaster. Personally I don't see how having air flow control which adds greater control flexibility a negative. A sample roaster targeted for the professional roasters not needing as much control may be true. However Diedrich is targeting this scaled down roaster for The Diedrich Home Roaster - Personal Roasting for the Passionate Coffee Consumer - Professional Roast Profile Development - .... No mention is even made of it being a sample roaster on their website other than possibly by inference Perfect for small kiosks or cafe's - Professional Roast Profile Development. But even that doesn't sound like a traditional sample roaster market.Ken Fox wrote:Roasting 1lb (or even 1KG) of coffee is fundamentally different than roasting the large quantities that commercial roasters roast in larger commercial roasting equipment. Granted, the process is the same, and same chemical reactions occur in the coffee, but it is the difference between piloting a small barge vs. captaining an oil tanker! Granted, you need just as much control over the roast, but controlling a 1lb or 2lb roast does not require fancy dampers and the sort of stuff one finds on bag sized roasters.
That's the point I was trying to make; not that you don't need control, but that you can get the degree of control that you need without resorting to taking a huge roaster and downsizing it to roast 1lb, with the same controls as you find on the big roaster.
For true sample roasting purposes, real roasting companies would not want to bother with dampers and all that sort of stuff to roast the quantities they need to roast for true sample roasting purposes; that is why *real* sample roasters roast small quantities measured in grams and are very simply designed. Extending this to the 1-2lb roaster class, you don't need this sort of design detail either, because roasting 1 or 2 pounds of coffee is more similar to roasting half a pound, than it is to roasting a 132lb bag of coffee.
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The IR3 has good manual profile control up to about 60-70% max size batch rating as I already mentioned. Programability is an option, not included, on virtually all professional drum roasters. For instance I checked once and adding the programability option for the Ambex was IIRC ~$5k additional.stevendouglas wrote:How does the Diedrich home roaster compare with Diedrich IR-Series roasters? Or perhaps how does the Diedrich IR-Series compare with other small commercial roasters (in the 3k range)? It seems that the IR3 will roast smaller batches. Does the IR3 provide good control and programability? Or do you have to buy optional equipment.

miKe mcKoffee wrote:FWIW my example of Diedrich roasting wasn't a huge bag roaster but rather the IR3 a 1-7# roaster. Personally I don't see how having air flow control which adds greater control flexibility a negative. A sample roaster targeted for the professional roasters not needing as much control may be true. However Diedrich is targeting this scaled down roaster for The Diedrich Home Roaster - Personal Roasting for the Passionate Coffee Consumer - Professional Roast Profile Development - .... No mention is even made of it being a sample roaster on their website other than possibly by inference Perfect for small kiosks or cafe's - Professional Roast Profile Development. But even that doesn't sound like a traditional sample roaster market.

miKe mcKoffee wrote:I agree 100% attempting to roast in the kitchen with that thing would be a venture in futility, unless proper venting measures employed then would work fine. Who ever said the Diedrich "Home Roaster" was designed to simply set on a kitchen counter and go? Heck an IR3 or larger can roast indoors with very minimal roast smoke if properly installed.
Garage wise I installed an "attic" fan in the wall with a switch, roast smoke no problem:-)
Agreed, marketing brochure picture with roaster sitting on an Island could be misleading. Though it could be vented downward through the Island though doubtful from the pic. OTOH page two does mention exhaust duct in two places. One might assume Deidrich assumed someone buying this level of roasting appliance would either know what they're doing when it came to installation or would pay someone who did. (And one knows where assuming leads.Ken Fox wrote:On the front page of this 2 page brochure, is a picture of the roaster, painted in blue (one of the standard colors; custom colors and pinstriping are extra!) on a kitchen island. Although viewed from the front, there does not appear to be any venting installed, as if the roaster was just put on this kitchen island counter for taking the picture. The kitchen in which it is pictured is surprisingly modest, lacking the high end appliances I would associate with the niche buyer for this $5000 thing.
I'll agree to disagree. I would not consider the Deidrich Home Roaster a toy in any respect, either in functionality or build quality. Whether too expensive or not really depends on point of view. A machine like the Diedrich is going to have an exceedingly long life span compared to current off the self "home roasting appliances". Some could also say a GS3 is too expensive compared to much cheaper prosumer espresso machines. I don't believe either is necessarily over priced for what they offer and quality of construction. Personally I can afford neither. Whether the Deidrich Home Roaster is in fact over priced for their target market will tell in their sales bottom line, not in your or my opinion of their pricing.Finally, I want to make it clear that I think Diedrich is a very solid roaster manufacturer, and I've never heard a bad thing about their roasters. What I take issue with is that they have designed a product that does not really fill the niche in between the home roasting devices (such as a Hottop) and a real 1kg or larger shop roaster. Instead they have made a cute "toy" that (even if it works well) is too expensive for the sort of person who is passionate about home roasting but wants something functional above the maximum batch size of the consumer roasters.
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miKe mcKoffee wrote:I'll agree to disagree. I would not consider the Deidrich Home Roaster a toy in any respect, either in functionality or build quality. Whether too expensive or not really depends on point of view. A machine like the Diedrich is going to have an exceedingly long life span compared to current off the self "home roasting appliances". Some could also say a GS3 is too expensive compared to much cheaper prosumer espresso machines. I don't believe either is necessarily over priced for what they offer and quality of construction. Personally I can afford neither. Whether the Deidrich Home Roaster is in fact over priced for their target market will tell in their sales bottom line, not in your or my opinion of their pricing.

miKe mcKoffee wrote:Ken,
I personally don't disagree on the value I'd place on the Deidrich Home Roaster. I don't even consider it a decent 1# roaster off the shelf! Possibly good profile control at 1# hacked with variable boosted voltage to the IR heater. And while being a very well built $4k 1/2# roaster, uh, yeah about 7 or 8 Hottops worth so obviously even if didn't last nearly as long Hottop(s) a much better home roaster value.
A well built 1 to 2# home roaster with profile control, roast temp monitoring, tryer, good chaff collection and good cooling times in the $1,500 to $2k range might seem a more realistic price point a good number of people might jump at. And forget the 15A limitation, gas or 20A service requirement not unrealistic IMO.
I do of course often take the opposite side of a discussion just to keep it interesting.