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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by civ on Wed May 30, 2007 8:33 pm

Hello:

This is my first post, sort of descriptive.
Please excuse the length and bear with me.

Everman wrote: ... good alternative to building something from scratch is to buy a cheap commercial machine locally that needs some work ...

lino wrote:Don't do this to save money. You wont.
You may, as mogogear mentioned, be able to spread the cost into smaller pieces and avoid a large outlay in one chunk.


Very well put.

I grew up around well brewed quality coffee and ever since I tasted my first espresso and saw how it was made I wanted to have a machine of my own. For many years, the only available equipment was the type of stuff my intuition told me to stay away from, so I had to content myself with moka, drip or press brews and visits to a few select local cafes for decent espresso till something better came along.

My choice was a Silvia but it was neither available locally nor something I could import due to high shipping/import expenses and the similar, locally made machines were far too expensive.

Last year I came across and was able to buy (~ US$210.00) one of the last units of a once locally made machine which were being put together by a appliance repair outfit from some surplus and replacement parts available from the factory.

My guess is that it's probably a knock off from one of the early 90's Napolitana(*) models: oven enameled steel housing, 3.0 l plastic reservoir, Ulka pump, no OVP, 800w/220v heating element, relatively heavy group mounted ~240cc brass boiler with retention valve and steam output, only one top mounted (original had the usual three) Campini thermostat with the wrong spec, crappy dispersion screen but a surprisingly good professional issue 58mm chromed brass portafilter with a stainless steel 'single' filter, being these last two decisive elements in my purchase.

Throughout the last 10 months I have put the thing through a fair amount of mods in my search to produce (it was utterly useless at first) something that would come close to the stuff I knew and I wanted to drink every morning:

* changed the original Campini for one with the right spec
* purchased a 'double' filter
* changed the dispersion screen for a decent one
* added an over-pressure valve at the end of the Ulka pump
* broke the steam valve, replacement does not work well and leaks
* purchased a small digital thermometer
* wasted a lot of coffee while learning to temperature surf

At this point, things started to look and taste much better.
But I knew more was needed, so I continued with the mods:

* added an affordable PID (Sanyou TA4-SRR), a T type thermocouple and a SS relay
* changed the Campini for another with specs to work as a safety switch
* removed the Ulka pump
* added an Italian (gift, no longer made) rotary pump and a 1/4 HP motor

Then, while trying to understand the inter-shot temperature variations, I concluded that it was not a good idea to chop up the box to make room inside for the pump/motor unit and after a while came up with the idea (nothing new, of course) of adding a pre-heating boiler from where to feed the existing group mounted boiler.

So the mods continued:

* moved the plastic water reservoir outside the box to make room
* drew-up and started to build an externally heated boiler

This second boiler which stands vertically, is made from a piece of 78mm x 3.5mm x 200mm copper pipe plus two lathe turned solid brass plugs, brazed in with a special Cu alloy used for special hot water installations. It's cheaper than silver, just as strong and flows much easier, though you still need 710° C to work with it. Once brazed, the whole thing will be turned on a lathe to make sure it is as perfect a cylinder as possible.

The external heating element (750/1000W, power not defined yet) is custom made with stainless steel inner and outer covers and wraps around the whole of the boiler's external surface. The whole thing, without the in/out/TC fittings or the heating element, weighs in at a bit over 2.0Kg and has a capacity of about 700cc.

The heating element could be controlled by a standard bulb thermostat to maintain the water's temperature within the 80°/85° C (?) range and will have a top mounted Campini type thermostat as a safety switch. I still have some research to do in relation to the type temp control I'll eventually use.

I'll have to drill and tap the existing boiler's topside to be able to feed the 80°/85° C water to the bottom of the boiler to avoid two things: backwards steam flow and stratification due to the lack of a significant temperature differential. The original inlet hole (on the side of the boiler) will be used to place the PID's TC near to the tube where the water descends past the spring loaded valve/dispersion screen and into the portafilter.

I am not an engineer, but as an architect/tinkerer with high school level shop training I have managed to keep this project alive but not without a fair share of shortcomings and technical problems. It's usually very difficult to find a decent quality machine shop to cater to people with one-off pieces and rare requests for less than an arm or a leg.

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This is a *.jpg of the boiler before sending it in to be brazed/turned, with the unfinished fittings in place.
If the group is interested, I will post more pictures as the project evolves.

The bottom line?

I stopped keeping tabs on how much time and money I've put into this project long ago: the satisfaction derived from my early morning espresso doubles and having done it myself is truly priceless.

Best regards,

CIV

(*) Actually IMAT, an Italian OEM manufacturer of no-brand and relatively inexpensive espresso machines which I have seen sold under names such as Junior, Mokita, Quaha and L'Elit. They were reported as having a very good quality price ratio and some newer models even sported three way valves. I think 'Nemox' has taken over the brand. (?)
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by espressme on Wed May 30, 2007 8:42 pm

Hello civ,
Please keep the photos coming!
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by civ on Thu May 31, 2007 6:53 am

Hello again:

espressme wrote:Please keep the photos coming!

Sure.
I'll be glad to.

The project has a rather slow pace, so there won't be more till I get the boiler unit back from the brazer and the machine shop. Only then can I send it in to have the external heater fitted to the exact diameter.

For the time being I'll post a composite image of a shot in progress from the machine in it's actual state of evolution.
The coffee was reasonably fresh and the grind apparently 'on the dot'.

Temperature is set at 90° and the pressure reads at around 9.5/10 bar.
Can't recall the value for water debit, but it seems to be adequate for the time being.


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You'll notice the colours in the first two images are a bit off due to the flash and how this particular model of Minolta camera (Dimage X31) handles colour, still sort of a mystery to me. When I get a better one I'll post it too.

Of course, any comments/suggestions with respect to this project will be quite welcome.

Best regards,


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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by ntwkgestapo on Thu May 31, 2007 9:53 am

I will agree with Lino, don't do this to save $$$. I've been in the SLOOOOWW process of trying to design an espresso machine that provides control over all the variables (temperature, pressure, water flow, etc) using "off the shelf" computer gear. Still in the "describe what you need" phase (working on high-level software design right now.... working on possible fault conditions with controls to capture, i.e. pressure goes too high during the shot, what do you do? CPU goes off into nana land, how do you recover SAFELY from this? etc...). It will NEVER be cheaper than a machine that makes good espresso (MAY be cheaper than a La Marzocco GS3, but not by a lot! CPU board is inexpensive, Data Aqusition isn't! Motor Control for the pump won't be very inexpensive either.... and INTRA-SHOT pressure control [to the 0.1 bar range and with 100ms total control loop times] won't be either)

BUT, while it's a "spare-time" (HA!) project and therefore not moving very fast, I will continue to develop... Eventually I'll have a system where I can control everything EXCEPT the grind and the raw materials (i.e. water quality and beans!) with great data-logging capabilities and more.... Will it make a GREAT shot of espresso? I sure HOPE so! but there's still going to be the "handle-end of the portafilter" issues.

It will be a GREAT learning experience and I WILL get good espresso out of it (to be honest, I doubt that I can TASTE at the level of most of the people of HB).

Do I have an engineering degree? no, but I've worked in Development Engineering for over 10 years, spent years in the field working on everything from automated material handling equipment, diagnostic X-Ray equipment and, that which helps me with the process side of this, metal rolling process control (think of a 20 ton ingot of steel, glowing almost white-hot.... one end is rolling off the end of the line @ just under 120mph and is 18 gauge steel, the OTHER end is still moving @ about 4mph and hasn't completely entered the first stand of the line!)

Again, if you think of this as a learning experience and NOT a cost-saving one, this would be a GREAT project...
cost per purchase (parts, machine work, etc) can be fairly low, but total cost will NOT be less than a Silvia or an Anita (or some such)...
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by espressme on Thu May 31, 2007 10:11 am

Hi all!
Just for giggles and stuff:
What would be the effect of using the original patent electric "LaMarzoco" idea. A motor driving a pump piston, however... use a digital stepping motor to do the job?
A variable digital controlled pressure profile ( pressure adjusted pulse speed. ) The quantity would be rather easy to accomplish by the piston chamber fill (adjustable chamber fill volume) That cycle could be a fast retract by the attached piston.
Keep the mind spouting brew! :)
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by ntwkgestapo on Thu May 31, 2007 10:31 am

Richard, that's ONE of the ideas I've been trying to think thru for that very purpose! Rotary Stepping Motor with "worm" drive (i.e. a lead screw) to handle JUST that! I'd originally thought of using a computer controlled pressure regulator, but.... as the ones that I've found are a) as large as a fairly large espresso machine and b) cost in the thousands of $$$ (to get the ability to control to 0.05bar [which gives me a fairly good 0.1 bar control point]) and c) pretty much don't come in 1/2 inch or smaller inlet/outlet sizes (usually in the 4-12 inch size!).

The other mode I've been thinking of is something similar to what Greg Scace was using to do his intra-shot pressure experiments... control the speed/hp of the motor that drives the pump (1/4 HP motors aren't that expensive and with a good voltage/current/frequency/phase-angle motor control can do a lot of what he was doing).

I MAY experiment with both methods and see what I can come up with. The software's going to be able to handle either mode (I've already decided on that!)...
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by espressme on Thu May 31, 2007 11:02 am

ntwkgestapo wrote:Richard, that's ONE of the ideas I've been trying to think thru for that very purpose! Rotary Stepping Motor with "worm" drive (i.e. a lead screw) to handle JUST that! I'd originally thought of using a computer controlled pressure regulator, but.... as the ones that I've found are a) as large as a fairly large espresso machine and b) cost in the thousands of $$$ (to get the ability to control to 0.05bar [which gives me a fairly good 0.1 bar control point]) and c) pretty much don't come in 1/2 inch or smaller inlet/outlet sizes (usually in the 4-12 inch size!).

The other mode I've been thinking of is something similar to what Greg Scace was using to do his intra-shot pressure experiments... control the speed/hp of the motor that drives the pump (1/4 HP motors aren't that expensive and with a good voltage/current/frequency/phase-angle motor control can do a lot of what he was doing).

I MAY experiment with both methods and see what I can come up with. The software's going to be able to handle either mode (I've already decided on that!)...

Hi,
There are worm drive units with the kind of force you are looking for. I have seen them surplussed on occasion. I have also seen the use of timing belts and driven lead screws very often. A phone call to a national supplier when your 'ducks are in a row" will often snag a similar customer return or sample to try for the cost of shipping, sometimes less.
A good place to look for ideas would be the "Home Machinist" and "Machinist's Workshop" magazines and their websites.
http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/ and http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/
My 1¢ :)
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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by ntwkgestapo on Thu May 31, 2007 11:21 am

Yeah, wasn't worrying about that aspect of it (I've got a small lathe and access to a fairly well equipped machine shop, could even, for a small fee, gain access to some good CNC stuff)... 'Twas really more figuring out where to put the cyl. put it on top of the brew group (a lever machine with the lever wrapped around a rod! :D)? Embed it inside the brew boiler ( GREAT temperature stability, but lousy INTRA-SHOT temperature change control!)? etc.... rotary stepping motors that can handle the power requirements are not that hard to find (but I'll bet, if you picked the wrong pitch on your screw, they could get noisy! 6000 rpm just so you can get to 9 bar.... OUCH, listen to the pulsing of the motor! :) )

I'm probably going to do the experiments as this looks to be the BEST way to get precise pressure control (and volumetric as well) and, with the right mixing valve setup, should be able to control intra-shot temperature fairly easily as well..

Once I've got the overall design done (from a VERY HIGH level!), I have every intention of letting the HB'rs rip it to pieces (i.e. "friendly" feedback! :shock: ).
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You CAN save money, if only a little

Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by matadero210 on Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:10 pm

I built my own lever machine from a Pavoni head. Some details and pics:

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...scratch-t4141.html

A brief outline of costs:

$100 head--Pavoni from Ebay
$75 pid, ssr, and pt100 rtd from auberins.com
$30 brew pressure gauge, brass compression fitting, and tubing
$30 electronic chassis and frame
$100 cheapo mapp/oxy set for brazing, extra oxygen cylinders, Ag-Cu brazing rod, flux
$40 boiler materials (copper pipe/fittings)
$50 pressure regulator, opv, quick-release
free time, machining, drafting, brass adapter plate materials (scrap from the junk bin at the shop)

$425 total

Of course, many weekends in the machine shop, in front of the drafting station, &c went into it, but the whole operation wasn't too expensive. I may have forgotten a few bits, and there certainly was some waste, but I ended up with a machine with 0.1C stability (at least in the boiler), brew pressure gauge, and the ability to be left on all day.

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just do it

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Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by civ on Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:06 pm

matadero210 wrote:I built my own lever machine from a Pavoni head ...


Really awesome.
Congratulations !

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Nice job

Link to "Custom Made Espresso Machine"by espressme on Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:31 pm

Now that is what I call doing it!
Congratulations!
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