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Link to "A Conti-diction"by Dr Jim on Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:52 am

Well, a brand new toy arrived here at the Lab yesterday:

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It's a mid-70's or early '80's CONTI 'Prestina' bought via Ebay from an outfit in PA who bill themselves as 'Dr. Cappachino' - which was rather off-putting at first, but they turn out to be a pretty good-sized commercial operation who are mining the contents of a warehouse which contains dozens of machines that were in commercial service 10 years ago. They were very easy to work with, shipped promptly, boxed well, and described the machine accurately - all-in-all the best sort of Ebay experience.

The machine itself shows the battle scars from years of faithful service, but is basically quite sound and needed only minor persuading to get up and running - fixed one water leak, reseated the Gicar boiler-fill controller, replaced the grouphead gasket, and swapped out the 4-hole steam tip for a much less aggressive 2-hole one - since I really don't need to steam 16oz of milk in 15-20 seconds.

The boiler is a 5 liter affair, and looks to be remarkably free of scale, the piston and lever assembly works smoothly and develops a full 9.2 bar of pressure, and while the pressurestat is somewhat arthritic - cycling over a .6 bar range - it looks to be easily cleaned and tweaked, or in the worst case, I've got a spare PID controller just begging for some work.

It took a few shots to get the proper grind dialed in, and a bit of fussing to understand how the Conti wanted to be treated, but it happily swallowed a bottomless Astoria portafilter with a Marzocco triple basket, and responded positively to my crude imitation of the 'Fellini move' as I industriously jerked the lever into and out of the pre-infusion position.

With the Conti, you've got to be very careful not to overstuff the basket - even the triple really wants no more than 15-16gm in it - apparently the group needs some headspace between the puck and the dispersion screen in order to properly pre-infuse. If I stuff my normal 17-18gm into the basket, it can take 30 seconds for the first infusion drops to appear, and the shot will stall at the top of the lever's stroke, almost irrespective of the grind and tamp used.

Using my current 'evening blend' of 50% Mexican Oaxacan, 30% Sumatra Lintong, 10% Indian MNEB (Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold), and 10% Yemani the shots were rich, smooth, perfectly 'textured,' with a splash of acidity from the Yemani, smoothness from the Oaxacan, and lots of woody/spicy/chocolate warmth from the Lintong and MNEB - what really impressed me - and what seems to be a defining characteristic of 'big' lever machines - was the absolute and utter absence of even a hint of sourness, 'chalkiness,' or even any subtle bitter notes.

Taming the Isomac of its tendency to emit some truly ghastly flavor artifacts along with some very decent coffee has been a year-long process involving grinder upgrades, technique improvements, temperature profiling, and finally replacing the vibe pump with a rotary procon and experimenting with pressure profiling - all of which has ended up yielding some pretty incredible shots, but still with the occasional sour clunker thrown off to remind you of the essentially artificial and unstable method being employed.

Given this history, I'm somewhat slack-jawed that the 30-year old Conti with no tuning, tweaking, or even particularly elaborate ritual appears to not have any gross flavor vices, but instead promises to simply deliver the true and uncontaminated flavor of whatever coffees I should happen to feed it.

Wonderful!

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Re: A Conti-diction

Link to "A Conti-diction"by hbuchtel on Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:46 am

Dr Jim wrote:Well, a brand new toy arrived here at the Lab yesterday:
( . . . )
Using my current 'evening blend' of 50% Mexican Oaxacan, 30% Sumatra Lintong, 10% Indian MNEB (Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold), and 10% Yemani the shots were rich, smooth, perfectly 'textured,' with a splash of acidity from the Yemani, smoothness from the Oaxacan, and lots of woody/spicy/chocolate warmth from the Lintong and MNEB - what really impressed me - and what seems to be a defining characteristic of 'big' lever machines - was the absolute and utter absence of even a hint of sourness, 'chalkiness,' or even any subtle bitter notes.

( . . . )

Given this history, I'm somewhat slack-jawed that the 30-year old Conti with no tuning, tweaking, or even particularly elaborate ritual appears to not have any gross flavor vices, but instead promises to simply deliver the true and uncontaminated flavor of whatever coffees I should happen to feed it.

Wonderful!


That is great. Reading this I feel like I'm on the 'right path' . . . ie investing a lot of time learning how to use a lever espresso machine.

The Conti looks great too!

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Link to "A Conti-diction"by bill on Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:11 pm

Dr. Jim,
I'm glad you're the one that beat me out of that machine. I was second high bidder! Now I feel like it's stayed in the family. Hope to hear more about your progress. Good luck.
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Restored 1970 Conti Prestina photos

Link to "A Conti-diction"by Chiate2003 on Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:44 am

Hi Dr. Jim and Bill

I wonder if anyone else, besides the three of us, also has a Prestina and can share their photos with us.


This seems to be the best topic to share the Prestina (restored) photos with everyone. Credit for restoration goes to Alex of Made in Italy in SF.

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First came home on July 7 after restoration. Sorry I did not take some before photo. Original color of the side panels were dark yellow. It is now Ferrari red.
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Found a place on the butcher block for the time being.
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Two front labels on the front are silver lettering on black backing.
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Serial number + voltage. No wattage or frequency???? The Y91 pre-fix on the serial number looks interesting but I know for sure this Prestina was acquired new from SF in 1970 (most likely from Thomas Cara).
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Back label has red lettering on silver backing.
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Nice large cup warming area. This area gets warm but never too hot to touch.
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Another shot.
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Link to "A Conti-diction"by bill on Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:37 am

Chiate,
That's a great looking machine! I really like the red panels.
As soon as I've finished restoring my Prestina I'll post some photos, too. FYI, the nameplate on mine shows a s/n of B91 04205, 110 v, 1 ph, 1000 w. I'm going to ask my contact at the Conti factory if she can date our machines from the s/n and will let you know.
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Link to "A Conti-diction"by mogogear on Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:06 am

bill wrote:Chiate,
That's a great looking machine! I really like the red panels.
As soon as I've finished restoring my Prestina I'll post some photos, too. FYI, the nameplate on mine shows a s/n of B91 04205, 110 v, 1 ph, 1000 w. I'm going to ask my contact at the Conti factory if she can date our machines from the s/n and will let you know.



OOOOhhhhhhhhhhh..............You, Dr. Jim and now Chiate :twisted: You guys are killing me..
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Link to "A Conti-diction"by bill on Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:24 am

mogogear wrote:OOOOhhhhhhhhhhh..............You, Dr. Jim and now Chiate :twisted: You guys are killing me..

Mo, I wouldn't do this for anyone but you, but I would be willing to trade my beautiful, restored, cool machine for an old 1977 Gaggia should you happen to ever run across one. :roll:
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Shots from Prestina

Link to "A Conti-diction"by Chiate2003 on Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:41 pm

Hi Mo,

A little something to help push you over the edge 8)

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Begin making a shot with a triple basket. I will let the crema speaks for itself.
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Almost done.
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Done.

Yes, it tasted as good as it looks, just as Prestina is as functional as it is beautiful. It is not overly demanding, fussy, tempermental or high maintanance (more things in life should be like that).

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By any other name ......

Link to "A Conti-diction"by mogogear on Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:49 pm

Hey everybody!!! The new member is a dog .......DOG ....... DAWG I say......... :wink: with a Ferrari that spits Crema :shock:
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Link to "A Conti-diction"by mogogear on Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:53 pm

bill wrote:Mo, I wouldn't do this for anyone but you, but I would be willing to trade my beautiful, restored, cool machine for an old 1977 Gaggia should you happen to ever run across one. :roll:


Best I got is a 1976 1/2- but Hal won't give it back to me..he opened up a lever espresso shop in Seattle - right across the street from Starbucks and Tully's- he serving home roasted coffee through it. Claims it's an indentured servant...?

I didn't even know that Gaggia's had teeth to loose? :shock:
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Re: By any other name ......

Link to "A Conti-diction"by Chiate2003 on Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:21 pm

mogogear wrote:Hey everybody!!! The new member is a dog .......DOG ....... DAWG I say......... :wink: with a Ferrari that spits Crema :shock:


Thank you for the compliments. :D

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