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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by miKe mcKoffee on Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:38 am

RapidCoffee wrote:Jim, as I understand it, your heating element is on when you pull the shot (please correct me if I got this wrong). Mike, is that also the case with your Bric? Or does your heating element cycle off before you pull the shot? Cycle time must be pretty short on the Bric...
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On at the start of the shot but yes the Bric's heater is so powerful it cycles back off during the shot. Be interesting to see how things change when the 0.05bar deadband Barksdale pstat gets here instead of the Mater.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:14 am

RapidCoffee wrote:Jim, as I understand it, your heating element is on when you pull the shot (please correct me if I got this wrong).


It stays on for the 75mL in 27 seconds or so measuring device I use; it goes off for the much lower flow ristretto singles I'm pulling. The heater is only 800 watts, and the HX is set up so inflowing cold water immediately affects the boiler's temperature -- this is actually a somewhat unusual setup for an HX machine. The basic technique of flushing until the boil stops, and then a few seconds more to modulate the shot temperature, applies to almost every HX machine. The added wrinkles are usually very machine dependent.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by Ken Fox on Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:57 am

another_jim wrote:It stays on for the 75mL in 27 seconds or so measuring device I use; it goes off for the much lower flow ristretto singles I'm pulling. The heater is only 800 watts, and the HX is set up so inflowing cold water immediately affects the boiler's temperature -- this is actually a somewhat unusual setup for an HX machine. The basic technique of flushing until the boil stops, and then a few seconds more to modulate the shot temperature, applies to almost every HX machine. The added wrinkles are usually very machine dependent.


This would be an issue if you lived at altitude. Where I live, water boils at around 94C, which would mean that a 203F shot would likely be unobtainable with such flushing. A Scace device, and probably also a PID, makes repeatable higher temperature shots, at about the desired temp but not burning the beans, possible at 6000 Feet. Simply NOT flushing wouldn't be a good idea as I have recorded very high Scace device temps with that approach.

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p.s. before someone unfamiliar with this topic comments, espresso is made under pressure in the PF, so the local boiling point, within reason, does not preclude espresso extraction at a somewhat higher temperature in the PF. By the time the espresso exits the PF, it will have cooled down below the local boiling point in most instances.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by HB on Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:19 am

I've thoroughly enjoyed following Jim's insights on the Elektra Semiautomatica. With his permission, I've moved this thread into The Bench forum where it will be more easily accessible for future owners. Great work Jim!
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:26 pm

Before I start posting the daily scores of the Tea versus Semi shootout (Chi-town HBers are welcome to visit anytime and sample), I'd like to answer a much more general question -- what class of espresso machine is this?

It's got an HX, it steams faster than any semi-commercial on the market, in the 10 second interval shots at the end of the WBC test, it doesn't conk out, instead it actually overheats unless flushed. Sound like a 150 pound commercial behemoth?

No. It's got a joke for a driptray, no water tap, it's only 10 inches round, has only 800 watts power, and weighs less than a Silvia. So, it's a home machine, right?

Wrong again. Imagine espresso machines were cars. They would go from subcompact little home machines to Mack truck 4 groupers. The Elektra Semi doesn't fit anywhere along this continuum, because it's a motorcycle. It's too light, too overpowered, too outrageous, and in need of delicate handling (you thought an e61 box gets hot?); but when it's right, the rush is unparalleled.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:16 pm

I've repaired the Tea and fired her up on the other counter (and 20 amp circuit). So now it's comparison time; anyone who wants can join me here in overheated chi-town.

The motorcycle analogy really came to me as I was doing these sides by sides. the Tea is big and solid, the knobs are big and easy to reach, it's easy to get the PF in and out. The Elektra requires a far more gentle touch, even the group bell is tighter and the PF needs to be inserted more carefully.

I'm keeping a log of the comparison shots. Today the Elektra came out on top, but it doesn't count, since my coffees and technique basically sucked. However, this thread is about unvarnished impressions, and I want to give people an idea of the frustrations of doing side by side machine tests, and why they so seldomly prove anything:

Tea versus Semi Shootout

Format: Pull simultaneous shots, and taste. Noted if done alone, or with other tasters.

Ranking systems, roughly equivalenced:
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SCAA      WBC      Verbal
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80.0      1.0      Just Drinkable
82.5      2.0      Fair
85.0      3.0      Good
87.5      4.0      Very Good
90.0      4.5      Excellent
92.5      5.0      Godshot 
95.0      5.5      Best Ever   
More      6.0      Died & in Heaven   
-----------------------------------


I'll use the WBC format, since it penalizes bad shots more, and correlates better to how I react to them.


Friday, 4 August

1. 2:30pm, ristretto doubles, houseblend, I'm pulling and tasting: Elektra is a little brighter and defined, Tea a little oilier, both blahish 2.5s. Improve guys, or I'm scrapping both of you! At least the grinder settings are close to the same.

2. 3:20pm, singles, Tea's a little longer than the Semi's, houseblend, I'm pulling and tasting, both are better, nigh indistinguishable, but still well short of the mark, 3s. I don't like how the Houseblend is tasting today, it's too soon after the roast and the aged Sumatra hasn't settled down yet. I'm switching to the remaining Redline.

3. 4:25, singles, both too fast, Redline, I'm pulling and tasting, Tea's a sinkshot, and Semi's a 1.5 or so. Will redo once my buds recover. Not a good espresso day for me.

4. 4:50, singles, Tea too fast despite grind adjustment, Semi in the zone, both cremas are too light. The Tea's tastes like generic classic cup, the Semi's like peaches turning to dust. The Redline is over the hill, alas. I can see why I never bothered with singles on the Tea, it doesn't respond to grind adjustments in a linear fashion; the Semi is much easier for singles, and showed up the not so great tastes in the coffee much better in this round. Tea 2.5, Semi 3.5.

5. 6:30, doubles, Tea is a ristretto, Semi is a semi ristretto, I'm pulling and tasting. Verona Blend from Classico (Jason Casale). I've given up on doing them simultaneously -- the machines are just different enough to confuse my motions. Elektra first, finally, a joyous shot! High quality, creamy Brazil with a pinch of central citrus, slightly spoiled by a hint of overextraction in the long aftertaste - 4.0. Tea second, mouthfeel oilier, clear but slightly rough flavors and aroma, finish has the wintergreen I'd noticed earlier, but with a lingering lemon peel, coffee oil on the palate - 2.5.

This is it for today; my conclusion as to the ratings -- the fault is at the other end of the portafilter. Hope I'm smoother tomorrow.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by niad on Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:10 am

I was almost determined to buy a Micro Casa a Leva but after a bit of thinking and discussing with my wife AND after reading the review on Coffeegeek by Mark and also this thread i have changed my mind. I have talked with Espressocoffeeshop in Italy and i am now about to make an order in the middle of august for a semiauto Chrome.

The nice smooth portafilter handles is now standard as i get it, this was one of the things i wanted on my machine. I will also try to get the eagle on top with the wings bent downwards, i think it looks nicer.

Thanks for this thread, it has lead me on in the right direction for my purchase.

I hope everything is spelled right, i live in Sweden and we start to learn english in third grade but now i have been drinking Avery Barleywine Ale (from the states) during the afternoon so i might not be very sharp..........

Not the right place maybe but check out Avey Brewerys nice line of ales, i like the belgian style trappist monk ales best myself.

Coffee will come later on my Nuova Simonelli Ellimatic. I guess it will be deported to the cottage after i get the semiauto at home.


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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:41 pm

I got the double spout commercial Elektra PF with the smooth brown bakelite handle and logo on the neck. I've seen pictures with black handles too. The a Leva is beautiful, buit not an all-day machine; the Semi is.

I'll have to try "the Beast;" although it sounds more like beer trying to be wine.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:49 pm

I'm suspending comparison taste testing until I can do it with blind tasters. I spent today dialling in both machines very precisely, and learning how to do singles on the Tea (much tougher than the Semi). The result: I got shots that seemed a hair better from the Semi than the Tea. Given that this is exactly what I expect comparing a new to old toy; I think I'm tasting my biases, not the espresso.

Suffice it to say, the shots are in the same league, and a lot of testing would probably show the differences to be around 1/4 to 1/2 WBC point (1 or 2 SCAA points).

However, there is a big difference in the user experience of pulling shots:

-- At first the Elektra has the big advantage. One only needs to flush around 2 to 2.5 ounces, and there's no 10 second wait for the coffee to appear. The shot is off and running in an instant. On the Tea, it's 7 ounces flush, then the wait until the preinfusion winds up.

-- At the end, the Tea is the big winner, since one can clean everything into the monster drip tray. With the Elektra, the pf wriggle and brush needs to be done with a bowl underneath. More importantly, the machine is so pretty, I feel compelled to wipe everything off each time; the Tea gets a once a day shine.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:12 pm

I changed my mind on taste testing, since my houseblend finally hit its peak today and I got my singles mojo working on the Tea, so the comparisons were tastier, fairer and less costly on beans and tongue.

The best shot was the Elektra's at a nice 4.75 (about the limit for this blend); but the Tea, the machine the blend is made for, showed more consistent. Final score over 6 pairs of shots: 3.79 for the Elektra, 3.88 for the Tea, basically a tie given the intershot variations.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by maximatica on Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:31 am

Hi Jim,

I've been wrasslin' between the Semi and a La Speziale S1 for a while now. So I have a few questions;

1) How long does the Semi need to get to a proper operating temp? My Isomac needs 30-40 mins and I'd like something much shorter.

2) Does the Semi make as much racket as the Tea? On my Milleneum I wrapped the boiler in a sound proofing foam to cut down the relective surfaces, covered the pump in a foam/lead/foam soundproofing material and lined most of the inner surfaces of the stainless cabinet in foam. I also used a "liquid metal" epoxy to bond the front plate to the chassis bottom to stop it from resonating (at the back of the drip tray area). All of this reduced the noise to an acceptable level.

But it doesn't look like there's much room in the Semi to do the above types of improvements.

3) From your posts; am I getting it right? that you feel the Semi can be left on for many hours and after a 2 ounce flush drop right into its prime temp range and consistently produce its best coffee? I think that's what you've said but want to ask straight out.

I wanted the S1 to get the temp stability but if the Semi gets to the same place just using a different route then the Semi looks to be the better solution since I am the only coffee drinker in the house.

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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by niad on Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:26 am

I would be interested in reading a "snapshot" conclusion of the Semiauto. Both to see if your thoughts sum up to what i think when i read the thread and to compare with later on with the final conclusion. I am eager to read some summed up thoughts from you before i order my Semiauto. I am about to make an order in the midsth of august i think.

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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:09 pm

Hi, Niklas and Max

I am preparing a review, but the technical section will require a few more weeks. I have reproduced the first draft of the other sections below. This includes a discussion of the machine's build quality, usability, and as-is drink making acumen.

Home espresso machine owners have radically differing requirements for their machine's location, capacity, adjustability, and aesthetics. So I do not believe capsule summaries are in the least bit useful for anyone except the twins of the person doing the summary.

As usual for me, there's a lot of verbiage in this review, and it's not all that graciously written. However, if you wade through it; I think it'll become clear to you whether this is a machine for you or not.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:11 pm

SPECIFICATIONS
Dimensions:
     10 inches round at base; 14 inches deep with portafilter attached
     21 to 23 inches high
     25lbs empty, 32lbs filled
  Capacities:
     Boiler
        Size: 2 liters with heat exchanger
        Attachments:
           steam wand with 90 degree turn valve and knob,
           sight glass,
           gauge,
           no water tap
        Controls:
           Pressure Stat,
           Manual Fill Push Button
           Safety Valve,
           Vacuum Breaker,
           Safety Thermostat, bulb type.
        Heat: 800 watts
        Power Consumption: 105 watt-hours per hour idling
     Group
        Size: 58mm Commercial
        3 way valve: Yes, solenoid driven
        Group Heating: Directly bolted to boiler and HX
        Baskets: 10 gram single, 18 gram double, E61 style
        Brew Control: Combination Push and On/off Button
        Group Jet: Yes, 9mm with sieve
     Pump: 52 watt Ulka without overpressure valve, 15 bar max.
     Tank: 2 liters, 1.85 usable
     Cup Warmer: None
     Drip Tray: 0.175 liters 
  Construction:
     Brass/Copper or Chrome Plated Brass, both with clear-coat finish
  Materials Quality:
     Superior Commercial: none
     Standard Commercial:
        brass group, boiler, piping, fittings, & valves
        braided metal hose
        harnessed wiring
        bulb safety stat
     Semicommercial:
        Mater pressurestat
        Ulka brass head pump
     Domestic: none


Is this laundry list worth $1400? Obviously, the looks alone will sell the machine; but does it stack up on the inside? I've now poked around lots of espresso machines; and this one strikes me as a decent deal. Although the construction quality will not compete with a Cimbali or La Marzocco; it is as good or better than standard commercial machines, and better than all the semicommercials I've personally seen. The only semi-commercial components, necessitated by its small size, are the Mater pressure stat and the Ulka pump. Both are heftier versions than those normally found in machines at this price point.

Elektra can make this price at high quality because the machine is ultra-minimal. One thing I'm glad they left out is the automatic boiler fill. A sight glass is actually more expensive, allows one to change the shot's temperature profile slightly by shifting the fill level, and most importantly, also means the boiler's fillup can't spoil shots while they are pulling.

A bigger issue is the missing water tap. This may be a deal breaker for some; one needs to spend about 18 seconds steam heating water for an Americano. Another potential problem is the tiny driptray. The three way valve discharge is minuscule, so the tray will hold a day's worth of it. However, one will need to do cooling and cleaning flushes into a bowl. Finally, there's the missing cupwarmer. Since this machine needs a short water flush before each use, heating the cups is no problem, just run the hot water into them. However, it means there's no handy spot for the cups. I have cabinet space over it, but if that's not available, one will need to arrange for cup storage.

At this price point, one can get a plumbed-in machine with a rotary pump; how much does one give up going with a pour-over vibe? The Elektra is so light that unlike many heavyweight semi-commercial machines with vibe pumps, it retains the advantage of easy mobility. While it used to be supposed that shot quality is much better on rotary machines; this turns out to be a myth. Shot quality is, at most, only minimally improved. But rotary pumps really are whisper quiet in operation, whereas the Elektra's is fairly noisy, about the same as other vibe machines with metal cases. One can have a conversation while it's operating, but one would hear it in the background. The pump installation and casing is very tight, so the usual increase in noisiness as machines get older may not be as much of an issue. Plumbing-in relieves one from emptying driptrays or filling tanks. My suspicion is that plumbing in is a very large benefit when the machine is far away from a sink, and not so much when a sink is close by. Be warned though, the Elektra requires more filling and emptying than most pour-overs, so sink-adjacent real estate is probably a near must.

The nearly unforgiveable missing item for a machine at this price is an overpressure valve on the pump. This means that 2 ounce doubles will pull at the correct 9 to 10 bar, singles and ristrettos at a too high 11 to 12 bar, and ristretto singles at a way too high 13 to 14 bar. It's only "nearly unforgivable" because the short shots turn out to be very tasty. In theory, they should taste overextracted and awful; I can only speculate why not. In any case, it's a straightforward, $50 and 2 hour job to retrofit the valve; I give the how-tos and my assessment whether it's worthwhile in the performance section.

Finally, there's the missing item that's the key to the Semi's design: the machine has no case. The proper analogy is if all other espresso machines were cars or vans, this one's the motorcycle. And like motorcycles, almost every spot you can touch on it will burn you. If you have kids that don't warn off, you should avoid this machine.



USER EXPERIENCE

Suppose you are not a godshot obsessed espresso lunatic, how is this machine for day in, day out use? I think there are four critical factors when answering this question: is it fast and convenient; is it a joy to use; does it make good to great espresso and cappuccino; and can one get skilled on it quickly. I'll cover these in this section. For the god-shot obsessed, there's really only one question: whether a machine can keep up as one's own skills improve and demands rise. More on that in the concluding section.

EASE OF USE Nothing is as fast or convenient as a fully automatic espresso machine that grinds, doses and brews; nothing is as slow or inconvenient as a small single boiler machine that needs to be fired up for every shot. We are looking in the in-between area where one grinds and doses oneself, then operates a machine that is already warmed up and waiting. In terms of shot by shot chores, a plumbed in pump and drip tray will make life easier. This difference becomes fairly minuscule if a sink is within reach, and more onerous the further one is removed. The Elektra has small tanks and driptrays, so it's particularly important to have a sink nearby. Shot making speed is faster than most semi-commercials since the flush is short (about 2.5 ounces or 9 seconds), there is very little dwell time (the wait from starting the brewing to seeing the first drops appear), and the streaming runs faster than most semi-commercials, about 12 seconds for a 4 ounce cappa. The basic cleanup ritual is roughly the same as most home use machines: portafilter wriggle after each shot, group brush, water backflush, and wipedown once a day. The group will not tolerate missing a day's cleanup, and the machine is a looker, so one will should tend to it more punctiliously than most machines.

MACHINE ERGONOMICS AND FEEL An espresso setup is a joy to use if the shotmaking can flow easily and comfortably. A major part of this is how practiced one has become with a particular setup, and another big part is making sure grinder, machine, barista tools, and cups are layed out well on the counter. However, the machine itself plays a big part: are there misplaced controls, unpleasant sights and noises, or other annoyances that eventually get under ones skin?

I find my Isomac Tea a champion in this area -- all the gauges and lights are in ones eye, all the stuff one needs to handle at stomach to chest height, facing forward, well spaced, and large. It doesn't make for the most aesthetic package, but it sure flows when using it. The Elektra is not in this usability league. The brew button is neat: push it in halfway and it's momentary for short flushes, all the way in and it detents for brewing. But there are a few annoyances: the steam knob is too small, the cowling on the three-way discharge rings against the driptray when one inserts the PF, the "ergonomic" downward sloped PF handle is not in the least bit ergonomic for low home counter use, and the cutouts in the group for the PF ears are so tight in tolerance, it takes a few days to get smooth at inserting and removing the PF. None of this amounts to a major flaw, but it would be easy to correct all of them without spoiling the machine's looks.

Perhaps the single most important ergonomic factor on a traditional espresso machine is how finicky and long winded one needs to get with tamping and dosing in order to get a good pour. Whenever I see a ten minute things to do list for levelling and tamping, I know it's for a Silvia. The E61s with their long preinfusion are very good at this. The Elektra, where the espresso starts pouring in 2 seconds flat, is not just better, it's unbelievably, never a sink-pour, great. This group bell's water distribution over the puck is the best I've ever seen on any machine (see enthusiast section). Elektra uses the same group bell on all their commercial machines, and A3 reviewers have also noted this rare combination of short dwell time and easily achieved, ultra-precise pours.

Finally there is the subjective feel to using the machine. The Elektra is ultra-light, sliding on the counter if handled jerkily, over-hot, and over-powered. If one inserts and removes the PF smoothly, pushes the buttons lightly, steams delicately; the machine responds with a pleasing growl and roar; get clumsy and the machine balks. And I mean the growling literally. The HX is so closely coupled to the boiler pressure, that the heater kicks in and the boiler begins to rumble softly the moment one makes espresso. It's all almost subliminal, but the motorcycle metaphor applies as much to its feel as to its appearance.

DRINK QUALITY The practiced eye would predict that shots from this machine would take a lot of skill and still be frustratingly hit or miss; the practiced eye couldn't be more wrong. I'll save the speculating for the enthusiast section, and simply say here that this machine is excellent for a deft-fingered beginner. If one forgets to do any temperature management, the first two shots will still be fine; if one doesn't level and tamp like an expert, the excellent water dispersion will still produce an even pour.

As one gets more practiced, one starts to judge ones shot preparation by the color and speed of the espresso pouring into the cup. And this is where some differences in taste can arise. The time the water spends in the puck without emerging, the dwell time, is a short 2 seconds in the Semi, 5 seconds on most machines, 9 to 10 seconds on an E61. If the espresso pours at the same rate after this phase, the overall extraction will be slightly different. The Semi, on average, has lighter bodied shots with more refined and delineated flavors than the Tea. I've noticed the same effect on pre GS/5 LMs, another short dwell machine. This can be compensated for by timing the shots; but it actually gets harder to do this as one gets more experienced and relies more on the way the drink is pouring.

All in all, this machine's head to head comparisons fit the mold of other ones among competent commercial and semi-commercial machines. Once one is pulling properly from each machine, using identical baskets, there are some differences in taste, but only minuscule and shifting differences in overall quality.

For milk drinks this machine is the big time. It has the same steam wand, boiler setup, and heater as the highly praised Microcasa Leva (the Semi's boiler is a hair larger to accommodate the heat exchanger), but it runs at a slightly higher pressure. For a 6 ounce cappa, it takes about 10 to 12 seconds to steam the milk, and it is very easy indeed to produce microfoam. Lattes steam in about 20 seconds. By comparison, some commercial machines can steam up to twice as fast, most semi-commercial and large home machines about half as fast. No machine I've used, except maybe the Solis SLs, make microfoaming easier.

LEARNING CURVE I would not recommend this machine to a complete newbie unless they were very deft or already had a cook's heat desensitized hands. I don't think a machine where the entire surface except the base and stream knob is above 180F is right for someone fumbling with a portafilter for the first time. That aside, I heartily recommend this machine to anyone who has used a traditional espresso machine long enough to handle it deftly. It will reward newbies who know nothing about the fine points of shot making with good straight espresso and milk drinks; it will keep up with them for quite some time as they improve.

However, this machine is simply not designed for ultra-precise temperature and pressure control. As usual, one can compensate somewhat with expert tricks, but that is time consuming and certainly not the same as using a machine designed for fine adjustments. It makes very good espresso without being particularly precise; but it will never be featured in a WBC final or get bragging rights among the tech minded espresso people. It may also turn out that there are some blends or SOs for which it will not produce a good shot. Aside from that, its shots will satisfy even the pickiest espresso connoisseur; and it may even produce some of the best shots you've ever tasted.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by espressoperson on Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:39 pm

another_jim wrote:However, this machine is simply not designed for ultra-precise temperature and pressure control. As usual, one can compensate somewhat with expert tricks, but that is time consuming and certainly not the same as using a machine designed for fine adjustments. It makes very good espresso without being particularly precise; but it will never be featured in a WBC final or get bragging rights among the tech minded espresso people. It may also turn out that there are some blends or SOs for which it will not produce a good shot. Aside from that, its shots will satisfy even the pickiest espresso connoisseur; and it may even produce some of the best shots you've ever tasted.


What a wonderful review!

This is a classic that could only be written by a lover of all things espresso. It captures what we really really need to know about the machine to decide whether it would or could fulfill our espresso desires.

Thanks so much for the effort.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:48 pm

espressoperson wrote:
Thanks so much for the effort.


You're welcome; thanks for reading along.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:55 pm

I tried today to fit the OPV directly to the pump head, so that no extra mounting gear was required. This didn't work; no matter how I bent the short pipe attaching pump and OPV, it bumped into the pressurestat or it's pipe somewhere. I'll get some braided hose, position the OPV away from the other large components, and clamp it to the plastic baseplate. Not elegant, but it won't mess up the chrome area of the base as adding a screw hole would. On the upside, this one is easy for pump replacement.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:20 am

Fwiw, I timed myself making singles today. Living room to living romm, going to the machine, making and drinking the shot, then cleaning up and returning, is averaging 3 min 20 seconds. This compares to the 3:10 time for makling a cappa (but not consuming it) with the Tea.

This confirms my impression that the Semi is not really a lot of extra time, despite the smaller tank and driptray.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by another_jim on Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:24 pm

Today I was varying dose and shot length. Oddly enough, the regular dosed baskets fared worst, the underdosed ones slightly better, and the coarse grind, make a cast of of the shower screen, Bassett singles, fared best. A Hawthorne effect perhaps, as I was paying more attention to the odd dosed shots.

Nothing special happens going from ristretto to normale, although I marginally prefer the tweeners.

There is a tendency for about 1 in 3 singles to have a smear of overextraction in the long aftertaste. This is probably from the high pressure. One can avoid it by cutting the shot a little earlier than usual, for naked pfs, the moment the tigerstriping ends, rather than a few seconds later when the pour gets translucent.
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Link to "Buyer's Guide to the Elektra Semiautomatica"by maximatica on Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:44 pm

another_jim wrote: for naked pfs, the moment the tigerstriping ends, rather than a few seconds later when the pour gets translucent.



Hi Jim,

Is there a readily available NPF for the Semi?

In my "pondering" of the Semi over the last 18 months or so I had worked out a way to plumb the drip tray to my sink. Based on your under chassis photo I can see that I should be able to make my idea work. And I can see that there is enough room to line the sides of the base with foam to cut down noise.

If you open it up again and put a piece of foam to keep the metal covered line to the pump from touching the base I think you will see a decent noise reduction right there.

Thanks for the info you've been putting up. I was this close (holding fingers nanometers apart) from getting a Semi about a year ago and then got onto a double boiler idea when I did a lot of temp measurements on my Milleneum.

So glad you brought my attention back to the one that probably fits my needs the most; I like single cappys about 99% of the time and would like to drop the audiophilia aspect of the espresso endeavor. I'd like to buy something and just go with it. My tendencies to monkey around are aroused by temp control and such and I have other things to spend my time on.

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