Auction for the new la pavoni machine..

[internato]

see the new intro page of la pavoni website! it will starts an auction for the first 20 machines model Stradivari....the first 20 machines out of the factory will be sold only with this auction on the official la pavoni website

for espresso lovers like us it would be an occasion to change our breakdown machines...for newbie it would be the occasion to enter in espresso lovers extraordinary world...with a great machine..

[luca]

for espresso lovers like us it would be an occasion to change our breakdown machines...for newbie it would be the occasion to enter in espresso lovers extraordinary world...with a great machine..

... yeah, but you could do any of those things, presumably for much less, once it has been released retail! Seems to me that the only reason one would want to enter into the auction is to have a collector's item, whether it is used or not.

Cheers,

Luca

[internato]

free to believe what you want, but i really think this is the only occasion to acquire a great machine....you had also to consider that, maybe in 20 years, you can sell that machine for double or triple price which you pay now....or not? But in this 20 years you surely will make great italian espresso and cappuccino

[HooHaw]

Aside from the name, new grouphead and bent lever, what else is new?

The bent lever is a good idea for short persons like me.

[IronBarista]

Are you the same guy who got locked out from CG for this? http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/183458

[Paul L]

Internato has already indulged us with his vast contributions here:

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...-side-t139-20.html

Internato, this is blatant given the previous thread. I challenge you to pull your finger out of the your proverbial and broaden everybody's lever knowledge with your experience, your preferred beans, roast profiles, techniques. Anything in fact to suggest that Dan should not follow the same route that other forums appear to have done.

[internato]

First of all, here in Italy Espresso is easiest to find in Bars and or just making it with domestic "moka", if you know what it is...That is the reason why, here in Italy, espresso "lever" machines aren't so successiful and so used like USA, Australia...and other countries.
As like as it's a tradition for you to making coffee with all models of lever machines, it's a tradition for us to have a great espresso in our favourite Coffee, Pub, Bar every morning before beginning job.
So we usually don't have grinders, roasters in our kitchens and we don't buy beans, but we use our fantastic roasted coffee (Lavazza, Hag.....to say some brands..) to do our fantastic espresso with moka or, eventually, automatic machines.
But, being born and living in Italy, we know, or maybe, somebody know about historical brand wich we are so proud....and like Ferrari, Armani, Dolce&Gabbana, we are so proud of be the native country of espresso machines...being in "Lever Espresso Machines" Forum, you already know that the first lever machine ever was produced by La Pavoni, that designers like Gio Ponti designed the shape for a La Pavoni machines. This isn't enough to say that La Pavoni are the historical and most important brand in espresso machines?
In this forum too LaPavoni machines are subject of a lot of topics..or not?
So....i just would notice you news about the new LaPavoni machine...Paul, you had an Europiccola.......you would change it for another model of another brand? I don't believe this, and judging your expertise about espresso making, i think that having an Europiccola or Professional model is the best way to have the best espresso coffee.

[HB]

This isn't enough to say that La Pavoni are the historical and most important brand in espresso machines?

Not to me, although I do appreciate the background on Italian culture and way of life. Up to this point your opinion has been stated so narrowly and strongly that I too would like an answer to Mark Prince's question:

Guiseppi.

Do you work for Pavoni? I ask because I've noted, along with the owners of other coffee related sites that you've been posting about Pavoni, and specifically this machine, on several websites, and talked of nothing else.

I need an answer today please. And I will ask you to refrain from posting about this product in your future posts on CoffeeGeek. Shilling and stealth marketing of a product on our website is strictly forbidden.

Okay. 24 hours later...

Guiseppe, I have to believe you're associated with this product, since this is the only type of posting you've made on CG and on other forums. As such, I've banned your account, but also left the postings intact, as I do think it's important to let people know about this new pavoni product.

If you and your employers would like to legitimately advertise the Pavoni Stratawatever on CoffeeGeek, I encourage you to sign up as an advertising partner, or submit a machine to the website for potential review.

If you would like to discuss further offline, including getting your ban lifted, please email me.

HB has no formal Buyer's Guides for lever machines and this could be the first if you are indeed in the position to make such an arrangement. In the meantime, I am following suite with Mark and deactivating your account. Please contact me if you would like to discuss further offline.

PS: This board is based on phpBB, where "banning" an account is more severe than simply deactivating it. Banning is usually done by the URI (e.g., interbusiness.it), IP address, or range of addresses, which prevents a person, group, or company from accessing the forum. Deactivating only blocks an individual member from logging in.

[Teme]

Internato's posts seem to lack facts, references, data or statistics to back up his/her claims regarding the Pavoni. There also seems to be a general lack of basic understanding regarding coffee. These two combined means that the comments have zero credibility (at least in my eyes).

I originally posted quite a long rant regarding this, but this short comment is the edited version. Suffice to say that I had a bit of a bad day yesterday and my original rant was a bit out of line...

Br,
Teme

[HB]

Internato has been very busy. At last count, we found seven forums where he is sharing his thoughts in more than one language, mostly about the new Stradivari from La Pavoni. Several forums have banned him. He either works for La Pavoni, is a distributor for La Pavoni, or... is a very very enthusiastic fan of La Pavoni.

[Teme]

Yes, I have also noted that there have been lots of ad-like posts regarding La Pavoni from new members/posters recently.

In this particular case, if he works for Pavoni (or a Pavoni distributor), he is not doing a very good job if he aims at increasing sales...

Br,
Teme

[srobinson]

I'm with you Teme. If they sent us one of these machine to get our hands on, they could get better press and probably more sales. I may drop the factory a note to see if they would be interested.