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1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!

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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by pinch on Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:21 pm

never used a Silvia before (or anything else, really!) and mine is missing the manual. I've managed to figure out how to get steam, water, and brew, but my real question is what needs to be done to keep her safe? What are the Big Do's and Really Big Do Not's? Many thanks.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by IronBarista on Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:23 am

Silvia is a sweet machine and congrats on getting it. Yes, that switch is a hot water switch.

Espresso
1. Before you fire her up, fill the water tank and immerse both tubes. One is supply and the other is overpressure return.
2. Turn on the power switch.
3. Open the steam valve and get a good size cup or pitcher.
4. Turn on the hot water switch until water (no air) comes out of the steam wand. Sounds strange but what you are doing is priming the boiler full of water so the heating element is immersed in said water. Unless you want to buy a new element and take apart your machine, omit this step.
5. Once it's primed, turn off the hot water switch and close the steam valve.
6. Wait at least 30 minutes before you brew some espresso.
7. After you're done brewing and drinking, dump the puck.
8. Do the portafilter wiggle. This is when you loosely put the portafilter in the grouphead, turn on the brew switch, and jiggle it back and forth. You'll notice that water comes out from the spouts and at the gasket area at the top. This rinses the gasket and screen from coffee grounds.
9. After all that, open the steam valve and turn on the how water switch until no steam but just water comes out. This way, it's primed so the chance of burning out the element is reduced and it's ready to go next time.

Steaming
1. Turn on the steam switch.
2. When the light goes out, open the valve. Put something underneath the wand to catch the water and steam. Bleed it until the light comes back on and no water shoots out.
3. The steam should be nearly colourless if not all the way. Now is the time to do the milk. The light is on indicating the heating element is on. This keeps the steam production going.
4. When you're done, clean the wand with a wet cloth and purge it. This gets rid of any milk that could have entered the tip. When it cools, anything on the tip will get sucked in due to a vacuum.
5. Do #9 from above.

This is just some basics to get you going. I'd write more but I don't have the time right now.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by HB on Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:17 am

A few resources to consider:
That's at least a week's reading.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by pinch on Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:47 am

thanks again for your valuable help. I actually came across WLL's video series late last night (honestly, my wife found it - credit where its due), and it was indeed a good starter. Ironbarista - you mentioned a 30 minute wait before brewing espresso - is that just the first time, or every time I brew?

One other q - I can see myself wanting to leave Silvia on for a couple hours each morning as I leisurely drink a couple, make a couple for my wife, and so on... any problems letting her idle for 45 mins or more between brews (aside from thermal stability issues, of course, I'm only talking about damage to machine). Many thanks, yet again!
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by HB on Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:17 pm

pinch wrote:any problems letting her idle for 45 mins or more between brews (aside from thermal stability issues, of course, I'm only talking about damage to machine).

No problems as long as the boiler is full. It's a good habit to refill it immediately after steaming. If you forget and the boiler runs dry, the over-temp thermostat (the one with the red reset button) should trip to save the heating element, but it's not guaranteed.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by pinch on Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:15 pm

thanks Dan. To refill the boiler, I run some hot water out the steam wand until the boiler light comes on? Thanks again.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by HB on Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:59 pm

Whole Latte Love's Rancilio Silvia video demonstrates this under "Cooling the Boiler". It's well made and worth watching from end-to-end (my thanks to Whole Latte Love for providing it online for free :-)).
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by IronBarista on Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:04 am

The 30 minute wait is only at the beginning of the session. Also, when you refill the boiler, the light might come on but it doesn't matter. The light comes on because the fresh water is cold and it is telling the thermostats to heat it up.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by miKe mcKoffee on Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:28 am

HB wrote:Whole Latte Love's Rancilio Silvia video demonstrates this under "Cooling the Boiler". It's well made and worth watching from end-to-end (my thanks to Whole Latte Love for providing it online for free :-)).

Agreed it's a not too bad beginner's Silvia primer, not too good either IMO. Cooling the boiler ought to mention how much water to run through not just say introduce fresh water to the boiler, like run the hotwater until the boiler light comes on ensuring the boiler temp has been sufficiently lowered. Also too bad the shots they pull as an example of good shots look like something I'd be ashamed of and unquestionably dump. They are at best examples of mediocre shots pulled with stale coffee not something to strive to achieve. I won't get into them using the POC improperly fitting tamper that comes with Miss Silvia. Also rather weak when they talk about cleaning. I understand them not getting into backflushing since not officially supported by Rancilio, but you'd think it would be good to at least mention rinsing the PF and flushing the grouphead after each shot. I'm glad that's not a video I saw and used as a guide when I got Miss Silvia 3&1/2 years ago! Just my $0.02.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by vanboom on Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:38 pm

In my experience nothing compares to actual time when warming up Silvia. I have tried running water through the lines, keeping the boiler light on, but in the end my Silvia works best if I let her warm up for about 30 minutes before starting to flush and warm the group and the steam lines. Even with a warm Silvia I never start pulling shots until I can hit the brew button and hear steam come out of the grouphead. That means the boiler is at temperature - and from there you can temperature surf down to the desired brew temperature.

To temperature surf: wait for the boiler light to turn off, hit the brew switch with the portafilter removed and pay close attention to what comes out of the grouphead. (This should be done after flushing and warming the group and PF with Silvia completely warmed up.)

For lighter roasts, I count 2 seconds after the steam stops eminating from the grouphead, lock and load the PF and brew my shots.
For darker roasts, I count 3-4 seconds and brew the shots.

You should get to know Silvia in this manner because it will increase the consistency of the quality of your shots and overcome what many describe as the "fickleness" of the Silvia.

have fun with it! --Don
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by Psyd on Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:56 pm

IronBarista wrote:4. Turn on the hot water switch until water (no air) comes out of the steam wand. Sounds strange but what you are doing is priming the boiler full of water so the heating element is immersed in said water. Unless you want to buy a new element and take apart your machine, DON'T omit this step.
6. Wait at least 30 minutes before you brew some espresso. for the first shot. The second could follow almost immediately afterwards. As long as you keep the water level up (check it at least every thirty minutes) you can keep the machine on.
7. After you're done brewing and drinking, dump the puck.


Minor differences of opinion, except that I'm sure that the addition to #4 is just an overlooked grammatical exclusion.

Don wrote:To temperature surf: wait for the boiler light to turn off, hit the brew switch with the portafilter removed and pay close attention to what comes out of the grouphead.
For lighter roasts, I count 2 seconds after the steam stops...
For darker roasts, I count 3-4 seconds and brew the shots.


With what T-stat? I'm going to guess the procedure for surfing on a 100C 'stat will differ a bit from the 110C 'stat.
As far as that goes, with my 100C 'stat, I pull till the steam stops, dry the screen, lock in and turn on the steam switch, and pull my shots for twenty-five to thirty seconds. This starts the clock on the steam temp for cappus and keeps the temp up for the pull.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by IronBarista on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:40 am

For step #4, I meant it as such. What I was trying to say was if you feel like buying a new boiler, don't prime it. I think you clarified for me well though. Thanks. :)

I change some techniques since my original post about 3 years ago in step 7. As for #6, I usually only drink 1 but I follow your add-in when I make 2.
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Link to "1st time with Rancilio Silvia, no manual!"by LaCrema on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:46 pm

I just purchased a used Siliva the other day, what happens when the heating element burns out?! The element looks pretty thick, so I'm assuming it doesn't melt! The only other thing that I think goes wrong is the seal between the inside of the boiler where the tabs poke through, they must get damaged from excess heat? If somebody has pictures of a damaged heating element, please post them, I think it would be interesting to see and educational at the same time! :)
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