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How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs

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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by HB on Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:03 am

What is all this talk about "flushing" an HX? This how-to introduces the reasons behind the need to flush a heat exchanger espresso machine before starting the extraction and answers practical questions like: How much water do you need to flush? Is it necessary before each extraction or only if the machine has been idle?

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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by Stadler on Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:20 pm

Hi,

I have read this article with great interest. However I wonder if there is any difference, regarding group flushing theory, between a plumbed in HX with rotary pump and a HX with tank/vibe. The reason I ask is that I suppose that the water in the thermosyphon can not start to boil in a plumbed rotary machine (due to the pressurized theromsyphon). I have never experienced steam when I do my flushing, only water that is steaming and when I reach the transition point the water is not steaming any more. For a vibe/tank machine the water in the thermosyphon can start to boil due to no waterline pressure in the thermosyphon and as a result of that the heating and flushing of the group might be different? I understand that this is a very theoretical question but it would quite interesting to find out how it works.
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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by HB on Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:25 am

Sorry for the slow response, I inadvertently overlooked your post.

Stadler wrote:For a vibe/tank machine the water in the thermosyphon can start to boil due to no waterline pressure in the thermosyphon and as a result of that the heating and flushing of the group might be different?

The type of pump has no bearing on the thermosyphon; Eric's diagram from Theory behind flushing an E61 HX machine makes this point clear:

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As you see, the thermosyphon loop (red) is isolated from the pump hydraulics (blue) by a check valve and OPV.
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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by Stadler on Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi,

Thanks for the response.

I have three comments:

1. I can not find a check valve on my A3. It seems like there is no valve between the pump and the thermosyphon on this machine?
2. I can read the line pressure on the line pressure gauge when the machine is in idle mode. For me, this indicates that the thermosyphon is pressurized in idle mode with the line pressure.
3. The diagram shows a water tank vibe HX machine. I think that there is no check valve on a plumbed in roto HX machine? Is there a similar diagram for a plumbed in roto HX machine?

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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by erics on Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:01 pm

You hereby owe me a beer :)
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This drawing was originally developed by Brad Seaman. If you (or anyone else) would like the original, in pdf format, email me at erics@erols.com
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Link to "How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love HXs"by Stadler on Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:42 am

or two...

thanks for the diagram.

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