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Used Fiorenzato Ducale

Postby Sir Anselm on Wed May 04, 2011 2:44 pm

Anybody have experience from Fiorenzato Ducale? Preferably the 1gr lever :wink:

I might have the opportunity to buy one for like 400 dollars, I think it's like 400 dollars, it is exactly 2500 swedish crowns. By the looks from the picture it has been around a while but the owner says it is working just fine.

It is however supposed to be connected to the water mains, which is not possible for me. So, I will either have to run it with a pump or, which I would prefer, straight from a "jug". Is that possible?
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Postby stefano65 on Wed May 04, 2011 4:36 pm

If is the older style,
What question do you have in regards?
I used to work for the old US importer of them before the company changed hands 10 years ago or so ago,
so I'm fairly familiar with them and eventually I purchase some of the left over parts inventory from them,

in regards of the water connection it is better to plumbed it in of course,
however you could get a secondary flojet pump and a water accumulator in the perfect set up so you don't have to make changes to re pressurized every time you might run out of water.
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Postby Sir Anselm on Wed May 04, 2011 4:53 pm

As I understand it, the ducale series is Fiorenzatos commercial line? I guess I'm looking for the usual stuff, temperature stability, steam power etc etc.

This is the actual machine:

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Postby Sir Anselm on Mon May 09, 2011 8:35 am

Well, I went ahead and bought it! However, I did not get any manual. I've sent some mails to different sellers and to Fiorenzato themselves to see if it is possible to get a hold of one. Thought I might as well ask here to, so if anybody have a manual for a Fiorenzato Ducale, lever version, I would be really thankful!*

*In digital form of course. The manual, not the thankfulness :D
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Postby Sir Anselm on Sat May 14, 2011 5:00 am

Alright, I need some assistance.

When the boiler reaches full temp/pressure, steam starts leaking through the pump inlet. I'm thinking it's a leak in the "whatchmacallit" in the picture below. My theory is that steam is pressing through from "Boiler upper" to "Pump in". But I have dismantled the unit and everything looks clean and nice... However, I had an other issue, and that turned out to be a cable that was installed in the wrong way, probably by the previous owner. Could this be the same thing? The only tubes that can be switched is the previously mentioned "Pump in" and "Boiler upper", but it feels like a long shot :(

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Postby Sir Anselm on Mon May 16, 2011 6:03 am

Talking to myself here... :wink:

Anyway, came to the conclusion that is was correctly assembled. Have ordered a new solenoid valve, hoping that will solve the leak issue. However, feel free to join the discussion if you have any ideas!*

*words echoing into empty space...
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Postby realdoctor on Mon May 16, 2011 10:28 pm

It is probably better to use something like a flojet pump, but most rotary pump machines will work from a passive reservoir. I know Paul Pratt has run machines at shows with a water bottle and no booster pump, and I ran a Fiorenzato Bricoletta (plumbed version with a Procon) out of a water bottle for four years without a problem. Of course, this won't work with a lever machine, but your Ducale should have a Procon pump.
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