Synesso Prototype debuting at SCAA

Postby pjones on Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:58 pm

Here is a first peek at the new Synesso prototype debuting in Anaheim at the SCAA (April 16th-18th).

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Postby gyro on Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:39 pm

Interesting, you got any gen on it? I see Sabre style volumetric buttons sitting loose on the top.
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Postby pjones on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:06 pm

I believe it will come with either the volumetric buttons or in a manual (paddle) version. On this prototype I think they have both methods hooked up for testing. All new electronics which allow for an adjustable timed pre-infusion, followed by an adjustable pump bypassed pressure, full pressure, then back to bypassed if desired. Shot timer built in, maybe auto backflush (yet to be determined), and I'm not sure what else. The drip tray has been redesigned to channel water flow to the front of tray for a cleaner exit to the drain. Also the group head is attached to the top polished panel rather than having a cutout. Steam arm is experimental, may change, and the side panels are raised to keep the cups in place.
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Postby dsc on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:11 pm

Hi guys,

hope they get rid of the steam arm.

followed by an adjustable pump bypassed pressure, full pressure, then back to bypassed if desired.


Adjustable as in you can electronically set what pressure you want, or simply grab a screwdriver and change the valve setting? This is pretty much copying the Slayer now I guess.

Also the group head is attached to the top polished panel rather than having a cutout. Steam arm is experimental, may change.


? how is that going to work? the group is part of the brew boiler, so unless they made it separate I can't really see how it can be anything than a cutout.

What's with the 4 line LCD display? timer, temps, anything else?

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Postby pjones on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:22 pm

About the adjustable bypassed pressure, not sure. Regarding the group, what I meant to say is that the top polished stainless panel now does not have a cutout for the group head but rather forms one solid piece that covers the top of the group as you can see from the picture. I really don't know much about it and I'd hate to put some wrong info out there due to speculation. I guess we'll get the full scoop in a few weeks.
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Postby Nik on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:36 pm

This prototype is demonstrated on the website linked on the first page of the Synesso site. Here's the video.

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Postby pjones on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:45 pm

Robert, this video shows a modified standard Synesso. I think the prototype will perform similar to this but will be adjustable through the electronics and have more options for the user.
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Postby Nik on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:52 pm

Paul....here's a copy/paste from the Synesso site...It is my understanding that Herkimer was involved in the design and testing of the Synesso that will be shown at SCAA. I asked the question if a Cyncra one group would be available and was told that they had not tested one on a one group but didn't see why it wouldn't work. Interesting.

Quote....from Synesso site:
"In the lab at Herkimer Coffee in Seattle's Phinney Ridge neighborhood something exciting is happening. Using a timer, regulated line pressure and a pump bypass valve, a Synesso Cyncra has been modified for pre infusion brewing with variable pressure. In stage one, the timer provides 4 seconds of 5 bar, regulated line pressure. The timer is easily adjusted, this was just a starting point. When the timer runs out, the pump receives full power but a bypass valve diverts a portion of the flow to the drain. Using about 7 bar, the bypass phase then leads to stage two. Stage two is full pump pressure, approximately 8.5 bar. Based on visual cues the Barista goes back to bypass after just a few seconds. The result was viscus, sweet, espresso with a huge amount fat to coat the mouth. Pure deliciousness."

Also, it is my understanding that Bill Crossland may have his new creation at SCAA as well. Could be exciting.
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Postby dsc on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:02 pm

Hi guys,

so it looks like this is a copy of the Slayer as it does pretty much the same. If Synesso can set the price right it can be a dangerous competition for the Slayer gang, plus I'm pretty sure one can modify a 'normal' Synesso to do what the prototype does, so releasing a 'mod kit' could be a good idea.

Curious why they didn't go for full pressure profiling, currently I think only LM does it with their Strada.

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Postby Mayhem on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:18 pm

dsc wrote:Curious why they didn't go for full pressure profiling, currently I think only LM does it with their Strada.

Doesn't Synesso already have the Hydra which does full manual pressure profiling? While the pressure profiling of this new machine might be somewhat simplified it seems to have the advantage of computer controlled automation...?
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