Profitec Pro 300 User Experience - Page 3

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Fausto (original poster)
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#21: Post by Fausto (original poster) »

Pro 300 is now also for sale at WLL. You can check out their first video with the machine here:
So they're version is 1600w (using 2 800w heating elements), and it comes with a 2 hole steam tip (mine came with a 4). They also seem to have a newer version of the PID firmware than I do. Other than that I think it everything stayed the same. I'm hoping to have my firmware upgraded (probably need to upgrade the whole PID assembly) by Clive in the near future.

I'm sure they will be posting more, including some in depth internal videos as they've done with the Pro 700. Looking forward to it!

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#22: Post by Metro »

Hi all. New to this forum, but not coffee. Wanted to give my thoughts on the Pro 300, given the lack of information out there on this machine (this excellent thread notwithstanding). I split my time between a few places in Australia and the US, so have had ample opportunity to buy machines. Currently I have a Speedster, GS/3 paddle and Pro 700. So, I have come to expect and demand a fair amount from home equipment.

I needed a machine for a small camp in Maine and was intrigued by the Pro 300. Very small footprint, dual boiler, with PID control on the brew and gauge on the steam boiler. Full disclosure I am not a HX guy and consider dual boilers critical. All that, together with the moderate price and Profitec quality (I have been very happy with the Pro 700), and it seemed like a no brainier. WLL has them in stock, so a quick phone call and I was set up with the 300 and a Vario.

After spending a week with the 300 I am blown away with the performance and value of this little thing. The ring brew group is excellent, typical dual boiler performance and you have just enough information with the brew PID and steam gauge. Sure, PID on both boilers and dual gauges would be better, but Profitec obviously was trying to control costs / price where possible and, truth be told, the 300 delivers just enough information for you to get the most out of the machine. Also, I love having a shot clock. Profitec seems to have gone to real effort in designing this machine and really hit the mark on the 300.

I have been absolutely pleased with the ability to pull excellent shots on the 300 and nothing is lacking there. A dedicated steam boiler delivers excellent micro foam. The steam boiler is small so you have to stay with it, but patience is rewarded and again nothing is lacking if you like milk based drinks. The boilers are small so you could definitely overwhelm the 300 if you have family lined up, but this is where the brew PID and steam gauge come in. Easy to monitor the boilers and to know when you have to let the 300 catch up.

Looks are subjective of course. I did not love the look of the 300 when browsing online, but in my opinion it works on the counter and looks great live.

All up, I cannot find a fault with the 300. It is really a superb machine that can do it all, all the more impressive at its price point. I would choose it over its big HX brother the Pro 500.

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#23: Post by fdpiton »

I agree not much information out there and it was on my radar so asked Alex a lot of questions which he graciously answered and gave me great insight and advice on things I did not even think of, as I am total newbie.
Thank you Alex!

I got a Profitec Pro 300 about a month ago, from Clive Coffee, was on back order for a while, but finally got here.
Ben was a pleasure to deal with as well as the rest of the staff.

I really like the small footprint of the machine and for my first non-pod machine I am really happy with it.
I got the 20 AMP version, it heats up fast. In the morning I just turn on have breakfast then make the espresso.

I never really thought I would want to steam milk, more of a straight espresso fan, but the milk steams so easy I find myself making steamed milk a lot. The art portion is horrible, but tastes really well!

I really enjoy the process of making the espresso more than I thought I would.
Overall very happy with this machine and look forward to getting better espresso shots as time goes on.

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#24: Post by Fausto (original poster) »

Thanks for sharing, and of course more than happy to help. As my technique continues to improve this machine seems like more and more of a bargain. I'm mostly brewing blends - currently Heart's Stereo blend - and I'm getting fantastic shots.

SO's are often quite sour unless I pull ristrettos. Although some of the more developed/medium SO's are quite nice. My guess is this is due to the lack of preinfusion. From what I've read the lighter roasted SO's usually like a finer grind and some preinfusion, but maybe I'll figure out how to make it work with the Pro 300.

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#25: Post by HoldTheOnions »

This machine is just begging for levers.

binary132
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#26: Post by binary132 »

Hey folks,

Newbie buyer here looking at my first machine. (Already snapped up a Vario 885 on sale.)

I decided to skip the SBDU's and go straight to a HX, but the price and build quality on the Pro 300 caught my eye. I'd be buying the $1500 15A model from WLL.

It's basically come down between the Pro 300, and an HX, probably the Pro 500, perhaps Bezzera BZ10, or maybe an Expobar. I'm willing to get comfy temp surfing (and the BZ10 seems not to need it?) but the PID-controlled DB on the Pro 300 seems like a big win for the price.

What I'm looking for here are challenges and irritations with the Pro 300. For example, waiting 3 minutes between shots sounds perhaps frustrating if serving guests. On an HX, it seems you can just flush, shot, flush, shot. Plus, the boiler on the Pro 500 is a full 2L (wow!) and seems tiny on the Pro 300. The 500 would steam for days at high power. And I don't know whether the 15A model will have crippled steam on an already miniscule boiler.

If this won't really get in the way, I'll pull the trigger on a Pro 300, but I want to know whether others have had challenges with these issues. If there's been some annoyance, but it's relatively minor, I may consider getting one anyway. But I'm shelling out a bunch of money here, so I want to buy once, and not end up regretting the purchase or looking for an upgrade. Having to wait 40 minutes in the morning isn't really a big deal, I'll just turn it on when I get up.

I guess I'm just concerned the 15W Pro 300 will feel anemic. I'd sooner deal with a warm-up, and then have a machine that can really chug along, rather than babysitting a slow performer while I wait on a third double for a guest. If anyone can confirm or allay this concern, that would be grand. :)

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#27: Post by binary132 »

I decided to go with the Pro 300 after some more research and weighing against other options.

Now I just need to figure out what kind of anti-scale filter will fit the machine. I'll reply to this thread with my experiences a bit later.

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#28: Post by jayyau »

Hello All, I'm new to this forum.

I've just recently got my Pro300. It's a display demo unit from Singapore.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2bWhT ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2bWhT ... sp=sharing
It's a 2014 product, come with 4-hole tip.
The shipment did some bad on the metal cover especially at the base part. Quite serious bends on it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2bWhT ... sp=sharing
Really a bit upset about this but anyway the machine can still operates well.

However, I found an issue. Maybe a minor leakage from the hot water pipe inside the chassis.
I repeated the following steps a couple of times and seems happened the same way.
- steam boiler heat up
- turn the right knob to release hot water
- up to the point seems when the pump refill water into the steam boiler again and the pressure drop nearly to zero
- at that moment some water splash out from the corner right above the pressure gauge.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2bWhT ... sp=sharing
- after that the steam boiler seems resume operation and the pressure rise up back to around 1.3 bar

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#29: Post by Fausto (original poster) »

jayyau wrote:However, I found an issue. Maybe a minor leakage from the hot water pipe inside the chassis.
I repeated the following steps a couple of times and seems happened the same way.
- steam boiler heat up
- turn the right knob to release hot water
- up to the point seems when the pump refill water into the steam boiler again and the pressure drop nearly to zero
- at that moment some water splash out from the corner right above the pressure gauge.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2bWhT ... sp=sharing
- after that the steam boiler seems resume operation and the pressure rise up back to around 1.3 bar
Try doing in this order instead:
Turn on steam boiler
Wait for pressure to reach ~1.3 bar and the heating element to turn off
Turn left knob to purge condensation in the wand, pressure gauge will drop back to 0 and the element will turn back on.
The pressure is only rising because there is water in the wand that needs to be pushed. I wouldn't open the hot water valve until the steam boiler is actually up to temperature and pressure.

Now, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by water splashing out from the corner above the pressure gauge, but if you're saying what I think you're saying then yes you definitely have a leak. Water should only come out of 3 places:
The brew group, the steam wand, and the hot water faucet. Anywhere else and you have a problem.

jayyau
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#30: Post by jayyau »

Thank you for the advice.

Yep, then definitely my Pro300 got a leakage problem. Probably somewhere between the steam boiler and the hot water faucet. It seems only happen when the pump refill water into the steam boiler. Just a splash at the moment starting to refill.

I may need to take some time to uncover the chassis and check it out any part is loosen.