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Postby Marshall on Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:33 pm

HB wrote:Over thirty years since its introduction and nobody could improve on its layout? Right...


Well, all the knobs have been replaced by switches. What other layout changes would you have made, Dan?

FWIW, I would have handed the case design over to Kees. The extra design and fabrication costs would probably have been earned back in won-over-spouse sales. On the other hand, when you have a long waiting list, it doesn't give the manufacturer a lot of incentive to make changes purely for style reasons.
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Postby Nick on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:39 pm

The sort of ergonomic design that Kehny is talking about isn't something that any machine manufacturer that I can think of has really attempted.

Is it awkward? Perhaps... but compared to what? The tamping movement, the remove the portafilter movement, the insert the portafilter movement, the dosing-lever movement... each of these is awkward.

On our 3-group Synesso, we use the left steam wand 99% of the time, because the grinders are set to the right. The problem is, the wand lever is on the left, which means that a right-handed person has to cross over their left to pull the lever, or switch hands. It stinks. But we never complained. Such is the baristas' lot in life.

Some people will never be satisfied until you can make world-class espresso by pressing a remote control button from your couch. *shrug* I already spend too much time on the couch as it is.

(side-note... Dan: I guess you won't have to make that trip to Atlanta in September after all. :P )
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Postby jrtatl on Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:49 pm

Nick wrote:(side-note... Dan: I guess you won't have to make that trip to Atlanta in September after all. :P )


If I may: What is going on in Atlanta in September? I live in " 'lana" (as the locals say) and am just curious.
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Postby HB on Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:26 pm

Marshall wrote:The extra design and fabrication costs would probably have been earned back in won-over-spouse sales.

I've been involved in the design and launch of a number of software products. Letting your hard work into the wild to be judged by thoughtless critics who have no appreciation of the effort poured into its creation isn't pleasant. But costs mount every day that the product remains in development and market windows don't stay open forever. From what I've seen, it's clear Bill et al made the right choices given the constraints.

As for the bank-of-buttons versus an alternative, I think the paddle has an irresistible "push here" attraction. Paul Pratt tricked his out for the SCAA show:

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Nick wrote:The sort of ergonomic design that Kehny is talking about isn't something that any machine manufacturer that I can think of has really attempted.

Really? I thought Elektra did a pretty nice job of combining function and looks, as noted in my research notes from the Buyer's Guide to the Elektra A3, excerpted below:

HB wrote:The big appeal of E61-type lever machines is the coolness. I jokingly refer to this as THE REALLY BIG BUTTON factor. But for an E61, it is functional and cool at the same time. Returning to the A3, note its brew activation lever:

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When I saw the teenie-tiny picture from the Elektra website, I wondered what the heck the cam lever was doing way up high on the grouphead. Once I had it in-house and the covers off, I saw the bare truth:

IT'S A REALLY BIG LEVER THAT DOESN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING

Note: You should click the first link of this entry to get the joke.

My mind reeled at the ways I would chide Elektra for creating such an elaborate way of a pushing a button. I mean puh-leez, a six inch woodgrain handle to flick a microswitch? Can you say "a little over the top"?

However, keeping an open mind is a key part of writing a quality review, so I mentally moved on and gave no further thought to its prominent protuberance. Ironically my wife commented later the same day, "Hey, I really like those woodgrain knobs and levers. It's much prettier than Junior."

Granted, she's bigger and unquestionably more stylish.

To the point of today's entry: Pretty as the fancy lever is, it ain't just for show. Somebody at Elektra thought to position it near the steam toggle switch and align it such that your hand is naturally right next to it when steaming. Flipping the lever down / flicking the switch of most machines to cut off the pump requires you reach away from where you're focusing while frothing. That's miffed me more than once when I've accidentally injected a splotch of big bubbles.

Not with the A3. Your hand is nary an inch away. Flick one, pump off. Flick two, steam off. Thunk and pour. Big Elektra Lever, today you earned yourself a "good idea" emoticon! :idea:

I thought the Synesso's "big switches" served the same purpose, but I don't have enough time with the machine to have an opinion on how effective its layout works. At least the Synesso's steam switch isn't directly beneath the steam arm.

jrtatl wrote:If I may: What is going on in Atlanta in September? I live in " 'lana" (as the locals say) and am just curious.

I don't follow Nick's comment either, but I think he's referring to the SERBC. Last I looked, the calendar on the SCAA didn't mention it. There was talk of holding it in Atlanta, not Chapel Hill (NC). If the competition is held in Atlanta, it's a great excuse to go on a roadtrip and crash Bob Roseman's place.
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Postby AndyS on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:33 pm

HB wrote:Flipping the lever down / flicking the switch of most machines to cut off the pump requires you reach away from where you're focusing while frothing.


Of course, this doesn't matter if you run the GS3 in automatic mode. For cappas only, of course. :)
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Postby Marshall on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:35 pm

HB wrote:But costs mount every day that the product remains in development and market windows don't stay open forever.


Ha! I've watched tinkering, perfectionist engineers burn through every penny of venture capital before they ever got to market. The experience left me wary of companies that don't have some managerial brakes on the engineers.
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Postby HB on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:37 pm

AndyS wrote:Of course, this doesn't matter if you run the GS3 in automatic mode. For cappas only, of course. :)


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Postby AndyS on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:42 pm

HB wrote:"Daddy, Uncle Andy is saying bad things..."


I swear I only used the auto buttons to preprogram a two-second flush. ;-)
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Postby Marshall on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:52 pm

AndyS wrote:I swear I only used the auto buttons to preprogram a two-second flush. ;-)


I used them to pull shots, which is to say I hit them once to start the shot and a second time to stop it. :D
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Postby jrtatl on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:16 pm

HB wrote:I don't follow Nick's comment either, but I think he's referring to the SERBC. Last I looked, the calendar on the SCAA didn't mention it. There was talk of holding it in Atlanta, not Chapel Hill (NC). If the competition is held in Atlanta, it's a great excuse to go on a roadtrip and crash Bob Roseman's place.


Well, that could be fun. I live all of 10-15 minutes from Bob (I don't know if he remembers that I've been to his house for a geekfest he organized a year or two ago).

If the SERBC is held in ATL, will they have a judge's certification course? I'd love to take it and participate, even if it means eating bland food for a couple of days.
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