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No actual descale sensor on espresso machines?

Postby aab1 on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:53 am

I noticed all these high end super automatic machines have no descale sensor and rely on a timer. I found this strange as my $400 single serve brewer does have an actual descale sensor that detects when the pipes inside are getting clogged.

I was going to ask why super autos don't do this but I think I figured out why. I have a reverse osmosis filter that makes 100% pure water and this is all I ever used and I never got the descale message on my LCD in years of use (on forums people using tap water get the descale message very few months), except once when I put coffee ground much too fine for this machine, it has a very low pressure pump, the 2 Tbsp size filter is made of a thin plastic frame with a metal mesh filter:

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The pump was unable to force the water through them properly and the machine gives up before giving the amount selected on the LCD and the I get a descale request. Simply running a brew with the filter empty clears the descale request. So it's obviously relying on when the pressure exceeds a certain amount to request a descale.

This couldn't work on espresso machines because the pressure is quite extreme under normal conditions, so it can't rely on a rise in pressure to indicate descaling is needed.

Well I answered my own post before even submitting it but thought this could interest you.
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Postby Peppersass on Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:05 pm

It's not exactly clear from your post what you're doing, but you shouldn't use RO in your espresso machine or any other coffee machine.

First, there's widespread agreement that RO produces inferior-tasting coffee. Second, RO can be slightly acidic, which can slowly eat away at seals and other parts. You're much better off with cation-softened water, which removes all the hardness while leaving alkalinity and other dissolved solids, or a blend of RO and tap water to produce a level of hardness that won't require frequent descaling.
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