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Need help installing Piero cap on a Linea AV

Postby mitch236 on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:00 pm

I just received my backordered Piero cap mod kit from espressoparts and there were no instructions!!! I can't believe they would ship this without the installation instructions. I'm fairly mechanical but there is nothing intuitive about installing this. I had no problem installing the Fuji PID unit but that had instructions.

I know some of the staff posts here and I hope someone can chime in. I was hoping to get this installed over the weekend. I can't even find worthwhile pictures on the web. If I could just see how the plumbing and electrical goes, I would have a start.

I'm amazed that nobody has posted their installation with pictures.

BTW, I have the one group Linea AV.

Thanks!!!
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Postby NickA on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:30 pm

If nobody else weighs in with pictures of an installed Piero cap, you could post pictures of the cap itself and what other bits come in the kit. I made my own piero cap, so I could talk you through what needs to be done.

Obviously it would be better if someone who has fitted the commercial cap reponds, but I'm happy to help if need be.
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Postby mitch236 on Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:12 pm

Here you go!!


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Postby NickA on Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:22 am

Hi Mitch,

I can't quite make out all of the parts in the second picture, but you will need to start by remove your existing cap. Inside the head you will see a banjo tube going from the group dispersion block in the middle of the head back down the group neck to exit on the right hand side. This is the return flow from the 3 way solenoid. You need to remove the banjo tube and replace it with the new pipe with the crimped end. This seals off one side of the flow to the old solenoid. I can't see the right part, but there should be a new cap to block off the outlet to the solenoid on the left hand side of the group neck. This stops inlet and outlet to the old solenoid which can now be removed. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the trumpet shaped piece will screw back into the dispersion chamber. It looks like it has a groove for an o-ring which is a push fit into the new cap. How I think it will work is that there is an inlet hole in the cap going to the new 3 way solenoid. When the solenoid opens, water will be fed from the group head into the valve and back down the trumpet into the dispersion chamber. There should be some kind of flexible hose that will go from the outlet of the 3 way valve to the drain box to the left front of the machine. You then need to connect up the old 3 way solenoid wires to the new valve, and the old flowmeter wires to the new flowmeter. I don't know if there is a coupling to allow you to remove the old flowmeter and reconnect the pipes on the inlet to the brew boiler.

I wish I'd seen the details of this system before I made mine. I may go back and do mine agin with the trumpet directly from the valve to the group dispersion chamber.

Obviously all the normal caveats and warning apply; machine diconnected from power, inlet water turned off, machine cooled down, water pressure released from brew system, etc, etc.

Hope this helps.
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Postby mitch236 on Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:28 pm

Thanks so much Nick!! With your great instructions, I was able to get it up and running. The only parts that I wish were a little better are the cold water feed that goes through the original flowmeter. You can't get those fittings at Home Depot so I just left the original in (I removed the impeller though). The other part was the drain hose but that's not such a big deal, I just used a flexible hose and clamped both ends.

The biggest problem was fitting the brain back in because the Piero cap takes up more room. I had to disassemble the box and move the guts. It's not pretty but it works. I will post an entire pictorial of my installation so that others that want to do this will have some guidance.

Again, thanks so much!!!!
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Postby NickA on Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:15 pm

Excellent; please keep us posted as to any changes in taste, etc with the cap fitted.
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Postby mitch236 on Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:35 am

I'm not sure about any definite improvement yet but I can say that stabilizing the grouphead prior to brewing used to take 8 seconds now takes only two. That keeps the brew boiler more stable since less cold water is entering. It was a fun project though! I'm almost to the point where I could rebuild my Linea which is cool!!
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Postby mitch236 on Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:29 pm

Here is a picture of how I modified the brain. I'm not sure if this will be permanent or if I can find a more elegant solution.

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As you might be able to see, I had to remove the plastic housing and move the circuit board to the side. I used a zip tie to keep it away from the grouphead. It is stable and seems to be working fine there, it just doesn't look custom. It looks rigged and I don't like that.
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Postby mitch236 on Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:28 pm

I have a question for you. If you look closely at the second picture with all the bits you will notice a tube like piece. That is the Gigleur. It screws into the cap. I assume that provides pre-infusion. Am I correct? How does it work? The only water inflow I can see is the main group connection to the boiler which flows up the trumpet shaped connection. How does the Gigleur affect the flow? I don't really understand how that part of the system works. My computer doesn't allow for pre-infusion. That came later with the Wizzard box.
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Postby mitch236 on Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:59 pm

I think I've figured it out. Let me know if I have the correct path.

The heated water is pumped into the neck of the boiler where the grouphead is mounted. With the original 3-way valve, the water would exit the left side and enter the three way valve and be redirected to the banjo tube (on the right side) where it would be dispensed. When the pump was turned off, the 3-way valve would re-direct the water to the drain. Now with the Piero, when the pump is activated, the water is forced through the gicleur into the upper portion of the cap (which has a flow meter in my AV machine) and then down the trumpet shaped piece into the group. That's a much shorter path and explains why I don't need a 3-way valve anymore.

Does that sound correct?
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