La Cimbali m20 Classic / C3 - rebuild
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Hi Guys,
After having tinkered around with automatic coffee machines (bean to cup) for the office and finally having "moved up" in the espresso world by finding myself a La Pavoni Europiccola for home a couple of years ago...I managed to score a La Cimbali M20 Classic -3 group head from a client (who didn't have all the funds to pay us and traded this in return..)
I will be uploading pics soon (tomorrow) of its current state, however after having browsed the amazing amount of information available on Home-Barista.com it is evident that before I do any work on this machine, I need to plug it in and give it a test run !
Forgive my silly questions here and there...and thank you for any advice you can offer!
Ok - so here's the current state of affairs:
1. Machine was unplugged from restaurant in which it was operating - in working condition - stood in storage for 1 year (no frost issues here in South Africa)
2. I received machine - and at first glance everything is where it needs to be and functional.
3. Machine is filthy - covered in oily residue and grit (especially on inside)
4. Wires to boiler have cracks etc - but not touching and i guess could be operational...not safe.
5. We have 220V supply here - machine can be wired up either 220 or 380V (we have both at our offices where ultimately i would like to install it.)
6. The machine has brass/copper (?) panels which are quite badly tarnished..
7. I received a huge brass dome with a big eagle on it - steam wands and gauges - but this seems to be all "ornamental"
Judging by its current state - the machine needs a rebuild both cosmetically and hygienically - I plan to test it - strip it - clean and de-scale - replace all perishables and wiring - spit & polish and voila (sounds so easy...)
So far I have connected the water (hosepipe in garage situation) - used the manual lever to fill the boiler - Site glass is 3/4 full - then plugged in and turned it on.
Questions I have so far:
1. Machine is currently wired for single phase / 220V - tried running of extension cord (cord got to hot and I switched off) - ran of wall socket and trip the mains breaker after about 10 mins ? Is this an amps problem in a home setup or something not healthy in the wiring ?
2. The power on knob/switch on the machine has 3 positions - Off / "something else" / On - Only on the third setting does the light come on and boiler start heating - is this correct and what is the second stop for?
3. When switching on the individual group heads - I hear a buzzing sound (which I think is correct) and water comes out of the grouphead - however (forgive my silly question here..) the "large" pump at the back does not come on? What is this pump for? I have a suspicion this is to fill the boiler - but as I manually have filled it it wont switch on? Or is this a pressure related item, whereby the pump only comes on once the boiler is pressurized?
4. Apart from the heating / above pump / etc what other tests should I conduct in order to compile its "health report" prior to stripping?
5. Last question for today - Where do you recommend getting manuals (operators) as well as wiring diagrams & exploded views etc from ? I can find for M30 etc but not for the M20 classic?
Thanks guys and pics tomorrow!
Ciao!
After having tinkered around with automatic coffee machines (bean to cup) for the office and finally having "moved up" in the espresso world by finding myself a La Pavoni Europiccola for home a couple of years ago...I managed to score a La Cimbali M20 Classic -3 group head from a client (who didn't have all the funds to pay us and traded this in return..)
I will be uploading pics soon (tomorrow) of its current state, however after having browsed the amazing amount of information available on Home-Barista.com it is evident that before I do any work on this machine, I need to plug it in and give it a test run !
Forgive my silly questions here and there...and thank you for any advice you can offer!
Ok - so here's the current state of affairs:
1. Machine was unplugged from restaurant in which it was operating - in working condition - stood in storage for 1 year (no frost issues here in South Africa)
2. I received machine - and at first glance everything is where it needs to be and functional.
3. Machine is filthy - covered in oily residue and grit (especially on inside)
4. Wires to boiler have cracks etc - but not touching and i guess could be operational...not safe.
5. We have 220V supply here - machine can be wired up either 220 or 380V (we have both at our offices where ultimately i would like to install it.)
6. The machine has brass/copper (?) panels which are quite badly tarnished..
7. I received a huge brass dome with a big eagle on it - steam wands and gauges - but this seems to be all "ornamental"
Judging by its current state - the machine needs a rebuild both cosmetically and hygienically - I plan to test it - strip it - clean and de-scale - replace all perishables and wiring - spit & polish and voila (sounds so easy...)
So far I have connected the water (hosepipe in garage situation) - used the manual lever to fill the boiler - Site glass is 3/4 full - then plugged in and turned it on.
Questions I have so far:
1. Machine is currently wired for single phase / 220V - tried running of extension cord (cord got to hot and I switched off) - ran of wall socket and trip the mains breaker after about 10 mins ? Is this an amps problem in a home setup or something not healthy in the wiring ?
2. The power on knob/switch on the machine has 3 positions - Off / "something else" / On - Only on the third setting does the light come on and boiler start heating - is this correct and what is the second stop for?
3. When switching on the individual group heads - I hear a buzzing sound (which I think is correct) and water comes out of the grouphead - however (forgive my silly question here..) the "large" pump at the back does not come on? What is this pump for? I have a suspicion this is to fill the boiler - but as I manually have filled it it wont switch on? Or is this a pressure related item, whereby the pump only comes on once the boiler is pressurized?
4. Apart from the heating / above pump / etc what other tests should I conduct in order to compile its "health report" prior to stripping?
5. Last question for today - Where do you recommend getting manuals (operators) as well as wiring diagrams & exploded views etc from ? I can find for M30 etc but not for the M20 classic?
Thanks guys and pics tomorrow!
Ciao!
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Below some pics during testing and strip down...
More to follow...
on a good note - Tested and all is/was working prior to stripdown..
Couple of things I already noticed:
1. HX on first group is smaller then the two on group 2 & 3 ? Is this an issue / is this standard?
2. Sightglass - the white backpanel is badly tarnished and rusted - however the brass fittings seem to be attached with a blind rivit of some sorts - how is this removed ?
3. The rotary pump gets quite hot - is this normal ?
4. All the nuts on the boiler side came off like they were never tightened - additionally the element had no gasket but didnt leak ? (weird..)
5. Boiler is baaaaad on the inside!
More to follow...
on a good note - Tested and all is/was working prior to stripdown..
Couple of things I already noticed:
1. HX on first group is smaller then the two on group 2 & 3 ? Is this an issue / is this standard?
2. Sightglass - the white backpanel is badly tarnished and rusted - however the brass fittings seem to be attached with a blind rivit of some sorts - how is this removed ?
3. The rotary pump gets quite hot - is this normal ?
4. All the nuts on the boiler side came off like they were never tightened - additionally the element had no gasket but didnt leak ? (weird..)
5. Boiler is baaaaad on the inside!
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- Posts: 3
- Joined: 9 years ago
Hi Guys,
Update 3 - completed the stripping except for the groupheads & some smaller parts...
Order all perishables & others -through a combination of : espressoparts - Cafeparts - and ferrari espresso UK...
quite a list...expensive too but it does include everything including accessories for the office set-up
Below some more pics during the stripping and initial cleaning.
Frame has been pressure washed and ready for sandblast and paint/powder coat
(* on that topic - everyone recommends powder coating for obvious reasons - however I was thinking of getting my excellent car guy to spray rather with a high gloss automotive primer and 2K paint with heavy clear coat to get that "Chinese lacquer" finish? what you think - can it take the heat? I mean it is baked in an oven as well kind off?)
Boiler & Parts soaking in Citric Acid (not so easy to find in South Africa - Special order through chemist) - Solution 20g/Litre (was hot - now cold 24h later)
Lastly - the last pic of the side panels - how would one suggest I start on polishing these up ? In anyone's experience is there a clear-coat?
I somehow doubt it judging by the tarnish spots all over the panels ?
Look forward to anyone who can assist with any of my questions
Update 3 - completed the stripping except for the groupheads & some smaller parts...
Order all perishables & others -through a combination of : espressoparts - Cafeparts - and ferrari espresso UK...
quite a list...expensive too but it does include everything including accessories for the office set-up
Below some more pics during the stripping and initial cleaning.
Frame has been pressure washed and ready for sandblast and paint/powder coat
(* on that topic - everyone recommends powder coating for obvious reasons - however I was thinking of getting my excellent car guy to spray rather with a high gloss automotive primer and 2K paint with heavy clear coat to get that "Chinese lacquer" finish? what you think - can it take the heat? I mean it is baked in an oven as well kind off?)
Boiler & Parts soaking in Citric Acid (not so easy to find in South Africa - Special order through chemist) - Solution 20g/Litre (was hot - now cold 24h later)
Lastly - the last pic of the side panels - how would one suggest I start on polishing these up ? In anyone's experience is there a clear-coat?
I somehow doubt it judging by the tarnish spots all over the panels ?
Look forward to anyone who can assist with any of my questions