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La Marzocco Strada MP or Shot Brewer owners: paddle radius

Postby the_deal_maker on Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:42 am

Dear Home-Barista Friends,

I was wondering if any LM Strada MP or LM Shot Brewer owner or operator has experienced the same behaviour of the paddle: I have observed that between the paddle setting for pre-infusion (6 o'clock) at approx. 3 bar and full extraction pressure (below 7 o'clock) at 9 bar that there is only a little range to "surf" the pressure curve. That limitation forces the operator, in this case me, to be very sensitive while using the paddle.

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Any similar observations? I made an illustration (based on LM's info graphic, hope they are okay with it) to make this behaviour more transparent.

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Postby Marshall on Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:53 am

The GS/3 paddle is a different design from the Strada's. It does not have progressive preinfusion.
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Postby HB on Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:44 am

the_deal_maker wrote:I have observed that between the paddle setting for pre-infusion (6 o'clock) at approx. 3 bar and full extraction pressure (below 7 o'clock) at 9 bar that there is only a little range to "surf" the pressure curve. That limitation forces the operator, in this case me, to be very sensitive while using the paddle.

This matches my experience with the Strada MP at Counter Culture's espresso lab. Despite La Marzocco's marketing claims, I find that the paddle movement is too sensitive for repeatable pressure profiling. I use the 6 o'clock position (i.e., gentle preinfusion) for a few seconds and then move it full to the left. If I see signs of channeling, I can back off the pressure by sliding the paddle back to 7 o'clock, but only as a last-ditch effort to save a blown extraction.
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Postby the_deal_maker on Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:53 pm

I agree, Dan - it is challenging to reproduce shots, close to impossible I would say. Especially if you try to imitate the brewing/ pressure curve of a lever machine. However, it is perfect machine for every roaster: small, precise, dedicated to espresso.

@Marshall: I am not refering to a GS3 Paddle, I am using the La Marzocco Shot Brewer, which is the small companion of the Strada MP (not EP).

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Postby erics on Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:13 pm

This "video" originally posted by Eric Calderwood in the GS3 forum shows, at least in the GS3 MP version, why repeatibility in the preinfuse region is tricky - La Marzocco GS/3 Mechanical Paddle : How it works

A little helix on the shaft might work wonders :) (thought experiment)
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