duke-one wrote:think of this: the price of a GS3 is approx. one third of an economy car. It should be faultless (or close).

If that's the analogy you're gonna use, then you should compare the Italian-built GS3 to an Italian-built economy car....

Ouch, but quality is comparable... On second thought, GS/3 has much better quality.

Honestly, these machines are not that complicated. I understand that they are hand assembled and that they have low volumes but i also would expect better quality overall.

I don't know what kind of margins these companies can generate but at 2000-6000$ a pop, i would assume that some engineering could be spent to make sure they work as expected and that the technical aspects of the product are ironed out. If things like vacuum breaker cannot be improved and are expected to crud up quickly, they should be designed and positioned to be easily replaceable. This kind of attention to detail does not require a team of senior rocket scientists. Seems like they could all benefit by using Chris as a consultant!

This holds true for all prosumer machines but i would expect the GS/3 to perform worst than the run of the mill E61 HX (Andreja, Rocket Cellini/Giotto, etc) not better. Talk to any Ferrari owner, see if they end up in the garage more often than Toyota owners.

Paying more does not always get you better reliability, so bashing the GS/3 on reliability problems because it costs 6000$ does not hold water in my eyes.

Just my two cents, fire away!

tekomino wrote:Ouch, but quality is comparable... On second thought, GS/3 has much better quality.

Anyone know how much an Italian economy car costs?

spiffdude wrote:Honestly, these machines are not that complicated. I understand that they are hand assembled and that they have low volumes but i also would expect better quality overall.

Hey, that gives me a great idea for a thread!

Let's ask Jim S for his opinion on the reliability of his hand-built, low-volume Versalab grinder....



Sorry, Jim, I just couldn't restrain myself. <g>

Let's ask Jim S for his opinion on the reliability of his hand-built, low-volume Versalab grinder....

Air carumba, can the servers supporting this site take it?

AndyS wrote:Let's ask Jim S for his opinion on the reliability of his hand-built, low-volume Versalab grinder....

Hey I saw you pulling cup-breaking-god-shot with Robur and your Versalab was dusting in corner. What's up with that!?

tekomino wrote:Hey I saw you pulling cup-breaking-god-shot with Robur and your Versalab was dusting in corner. What's up with that!?

Dennis, when you have a 3-phase Robur on the counter grinding 5g/sec through 83mm dia burrs purring along at 420 rpm, it's hard to go back to the Versalab (which, by the way, is serial #001).

AndyS wrote:Hey, that gives me a great idea for a thread!

Let's ask Jim S for his opinion on the reliability of his hand-built, low-volume Versalab grinder....



Sorry, Jim, I just couldn't restrain myself. <g>

My Versalab shtick has become so popular that I'm saving it for the Miss America talent competition.

On this topic, my impression has been that it must be a heck of a good machine for people to put up with so many glitches.

another_jim wrote:My Versalab shtick has become so popular that I'm saving it for the Miss America talent competition.

Miss America? Really? I never would have guessed.

I can't wait to see what you'll be wearing for the swimsuit competition.

another_jim wrote:On this topic, my impression has been that it must be a heck of a good machine for people to put up with so many glitches.

As you know, the feature set, form factor, and performance (at least on paper) are hard to beat. But if I were ever to get a GS3, I'd sure pass on the paddle version and go with the simpler standard one.