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La Cimbali Junior DT1 troubleshooting?

Postby ccfore on Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:45 pm

I purchased a used La Cimbali Junior DT really in pristine condition and am in the process of hooking it up and have run into a couple of problems. When connected to the water supply the boiler is overfilling without the pump turning on.
I checked the boiler fill probe for scale but it didn't have any that I could see but a very light coating which I removed. The pump does work as it turns on and fills when I disconnect the wire to the probe and it stops when I connect it again.
Also when it is up to temp the gauge has not shown any movement at all.
Another minor problem, it also has a very slight leak at the rotary pump pressure adjustment screw. I've turned it in and out some but does stop the leak. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
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Postby stefano65 on Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:03 pm

I replied to the email you send earlier
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Postby ccfore on Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:12 pm

stefano65 wrote:I replied to the email you send earlier

Stefano, I didn't receive it yet, maybe you could re-send it, thanks.
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Postby CDMTech on Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 pm

I would say the machine was probably frozen in storage and the heat exchanger is cracked. It is pretty quick to diagnose and repair. Pull the grouphead off and pull out the heat exchanger. Usually they will crack at the tip. Sometimes they can be difficult to remove because they expand with the ice. Not very expensive to repair though.
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Postby Ken Fox on Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:21 pm

ccfore wrote:I purchased a used La Cimbali Junior DT1 (5 years old but in storage the last two I'm told) really in pristine condition and am in the process of hooking it up and have run into a couple of problems. When connected to the water supply the boiler is overfilling without the pump turning on.
I checked the boiler fill probe for scale but it didn't have any that I could see but a very light coating which I removed. The pump does work as it turns on and fills when I disconnect the wire to the probe and it stops when I connect it again.
Also when it is up to temp the gauge has not shown any movement at all.
Another minor problem, it also has a very slight leak at the rotary pump pressure adjustment screw. I've turned it in and out some but does stop the leak. I've searched for this problem and read everything in the last couple of days but can't seem to find the answer. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.


It sounds like you are getting different suggestions and analyses which could be helpful to give you a list of causes to rule out, if you are going to work on the machine yourself.

If the machine was operating properly, the input solenoid would prevent the boiler from filling based on water main pressure alone. This is to say that although in theory the boiler could fill based solely on mains pressure (without the pump in a rotary pump machine), it should not do so in a properly functioning machine like yours. My present machine's (LM GS/3 paddle) brew boiler would fill, however a DT-1 Cimbali should not.

In addition, your boiler pressure gauge is not working. This might be related to overfilling of the boiler, filling the small capillary tube to the gauge with water; I'm not sure. So it could be a real problem or just a reflection of problems you already know about. If it is a real problem, then it's not a huge one, and replacement gauges are not that expensive.

Logically it sounds to me like you have two problems going on, which is a difficult case to make so I'm probably wrong. I would guess that your input solenoid may have failed, and in addition there is some reason why the autofill circuit isn't working to engage the pump to fill the boiler. These ideas can be easily tested and likely causes ruled out. You need to find out if the boiler fills up when the machine is connected to the mains water supply but the pump can't work (e.g. is disconnected), and there is no reason for the solenoid to be otherwise open, such as if the autofill circuit is completed (you could short it). If so, you have either a faulty input solenoid or for some reason the autofill circuit/brainboard are fried.

After establishing whether or not the input solenoid works, then you need to figure out why the pump does not engage to fill the boiler when the boiler autofill circuit has not been completed. This is probably something of a very minor nature such as scale you haven't dealt with, water that is too pure (e.g. distilled, RO) that does not allow the circuit to complete, or is due to a fault in the autofill or brainboard electronics.

If your brainboard is toast, be sure to be seated when you get a quote from a dealer on what that part is going to cost you . . . . .

Good luck,

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Postby ccfore on Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:45 pm

Thanks for all the replies as it shows that this is probably more than one thing or part. I'm also thinking at the very least that the input solenoid might have been damaged if it did indeed freeze.
I'm inclined to just drop it off at the espresso repair shop where it was purchased (they sell and service La Cimbali amongst others) as they can probably pinpoint the problem/s pretty quickly as it might take me a while with undoubtedly a few headaches thrown in as well.
Never had to do this before so I'm wondering how a repair shop charges, by the hour or job? I guess I'll just have them give me an estimate and go from there, thanks again.
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Postby Ken Fox on Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:50 pm

ccfore wrote:Thanks for all the replies as it shows that this is probably more than one thing or part. I'm also thinking at the very least that the input solenoid might have been damaged if it did indeed freeze.
I'm inclined to just drop it off at the espresso repair shop where it was purchased (they sell and service La Cimbali amongst others) as they can probably pinpoint the problem/s pretty quickly as it might take me a while with undoubtedly a few headaches thrown in as well.
Never had to do this before so I'm wondering how a repair shop charges, by the hour or job? I guess I'll just have them give me an estimate and go from there, thanks again.


I suggest that you make them give you an estimate before they start on the repairs. Even if it costs you $75, they'll probably remove that charge if you let them do the work, and if not, it might avoid an uneconomical repair should it turn out that the damage is much more extensive than you think.

Please let us know what it turned out to be; I"m curious to hear about the outcome.

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Postby ccfore on Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:59 pm

Ken Fox wrote:
Please let us know what it turned out to be; I"m curious to hear about the outcome.

ken


Will do Ken, I'm kind of wondering myself. :roll: I've read all about the Junior from posts here, especially your own experience with your two machines. After allowing someone else to adopt my Elektra T1 (still miss my baby) because it really never got the use it needed, as I was mostly using my Olympia Cremina, I missed a machine that I could leave on all weekend and when home for extended periods of time. Hence my purchase of the Junior.
I'm looking forward to giving it a go as I have a very small attention span when it comes to machines in general as I've tried many, many machines from Starbucks Barista to dual-boilers (Expobar Brewtus Double Boiler, didn't care for it) Olympia Coffex (have one but never use it) Astra Gourmet (loved it) Elektra T1 (loved it more) and everything in between and I like trying different types of machines.
The only thing I've told my wife regarding this obsession/hobby is to keep the Cremina if something ever happens to me! :shock:
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Postby flopshot1016 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:04 pm

Todd,
Did you ever get the Jr. repaired? Inquiring minds would like to know. :?:
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