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Izzo Alex Duetto safety valve steam leak

Postby Bob_McBob on Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:47 pm

My Duetto has been making occasional hisses (from drops of water flash boiling) when the steam boiler is coming up to pressure and at pressure. I'm pretty sure it started when I replaced the OPV in the summer and did a siphon in/out descale while the old one was off. Today I held a mirror beside the OPV and safety valve to check where it was coming from and realized the safety valve has a constant very low level steam leak.

The steam boiler pressure gauge reads the normal range, and I haven't noticed anything different about the steam pressure, so I assume the pressure stat is functioning as it should. I did wonder if perhaps the high water level descale raised the fill level, since it was the first time I'd done it using the siphon method. Could it be a symptom of that?

Should I be replacing the safety valve at this point? Does anyone know the correct thread and such for the one the Duetto uses? It is a particularly tall model I haven't seen anywhere else, but I assume any correctly sized part should work. I'm reluctant to remove it since I'm pretty sure there is a copper crush washer underneath that also needs to be replaced at the same time, right?
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Postby allon on Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:50 pm

Do you have a picture of the valve?
I'd rather it fail by leaking than by not opening. If it's adjustable, it might take a small tweak; you can verify the setting an operation with an air compressor.

If there's any doubt, replace it- you probably will need a crush washer.
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Postby genovese on Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:31 pm

Certainly, replace the copper sealing washer (and get a few spares) if you can. But that may not be enough, so I would have some PTFE tape on hand just in case. When I replaced a thermistor (albeit on the brew boiler), I had to use the tape as well, twisted into a string and wrapped several times tightly into the shoulder of the male fitting. I have to admit that I am not the first to think of this: whether by necessity or for insurance, the original builders at Izzo did likewise!
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Postby TomC on Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:50 am

I don't know if my problem is the same or not, but on my unit I noticed tonight while it was coming up to temp that there was a steady, slow drip coming from the hot water tap. The knob was tightly closed... I opened the valve briefly, allowed some hot water to escape and then closed it, and that seemed to eliminate the drip, but now I'm concerned of having the machine on for long periods of time. I imagine if the problem didn't go away, and I was plumbed in in the future, I'd have the risk of a big leak all over the place.

And if I leave it as is, I could run the reservoir dry. The machine isn't even 9 months old, and it's seen very little use.
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Postby orphanespresso on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:14 am

If the valve is adjustable it can be taken apart and cleaned, check the Teflon disc for damage or deformation, reassemble and check on reset. Likely a standard 1/4 BPP thread (measures about 1/2"). Use the hollow crush washer if you don't trust Teflon, which work as well...the hollow ones are easier to crush properly. This is all predicated on your pressure being below 1.5-1.8 bar depending on the valve.
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Postby TomC on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:27 am

Thank you very much Doug!

The boiler pressure sets at 1.4-1.5. Glad to know it's not likely a major repair. I don't think I'm going to keep this machine on 24/7 anymore. I haven't lately, but I did for about 3 weeks during the holidays.
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Postby genovese on Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:07 pm

TomC wrote:I don't know if my problem is the same or not, but on my unit I noticed tonight while it was coming up to temp that there was a steady, slow drip coming from the hot water tap.


No, your issue sounds like the compression washer in the hot water valve is worn/over-compressed. I would check with your vendor or CC, but I read 10 months ago (courtesy of same OP) that the washers are not available separately, in Izzo Duetto steam wand valve repair. Mine is at 10 months and counting, with no noticeable leakage or advancing of the shutoff point (indexed by a dot of tape at 12 o'clock on the knob). I suspect the trick to keeping these in good shape is to use the minimum torque that seals, which comes before you even feel resistance. If you crank it like your garden hose bib, it won't last. But unlike the hose bib, a 5-cent washer won't fix it.

TomC wrote:I imagine if the problem didn't go away, and I was plumbed in in the future, I'd have the risk of a big leak all over the place.

? If you plumb the drain, you have insurance, if you're only talking about the water wand drip. There's no risk of sudden, total failure; the drip will just slowly get worse.

TomC wrote:And if I leave it as is, I could run the reservoir dry.

Sure, if the drip is pretty bad. I'd be more worried about the water level in the steam boiler dropping low enough to expose the heating element, sometime after the reservoir stops feeding the boiler. I'd start by monitoring the tank when it's not in use, say, overnight, to see how much is lost. And you can always just leave the brew boiler on and shut off the steam boiler -- it will reheat in at most 8 minutes.
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Postby cafeIKE on Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:20 pm

allon wrote:you can verify the setting an operation with an air compressor.

NEVER use compressed air unless you have very precise pressure control and volume regulation.
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Postby TomC on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:18 pm

It's all rather irritating seeing how I've used the hot water tap less than 8 times and I don't abuse my equipment with excessive torque. I'll read thru the various threads, but I'm not sure I'm skilled enough to tear down the valve on my own.
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Postby Bob_McBob on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:15 am

I decided to just replace the valve since I was ordering some other stuff anyway. I'll have a look inside the old one when I remove it.
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