Does anyone know what the difference between these two makes of the same model are? I can't find any info showing what the upgrades are on the II. Am trying to decide if its worth it to upgrade from my Livia 90 semi auto (i mainly like the looks of the millenium, but would like to base my decision on actual specs)

Thanks

thanks....well since one that is in question is listed as having a copper boiler, that makes it a model I, and also makes it harder for me to decide to swap it for my Livia......i wish someone would have warned me about all the hard decisions that come along with being a coffee snob

Mod 1 had no brew pressure gauge. I added one to my machine along with a lot of extra mods. I believe model 2 has a factory brew pressure gauge.

Nope, the Isomac company site lists only the upgraded expansion valve and boiler on their list of current features that might distinguish the "version two". I do believe there are other improvements to be found inside though, as noted above in Dan's post. They list and show in a picture the same boiler gage the version "one" had. No group gage.

Distinguishing the versions is a bit of a mystery. Some dealers sell what they call the Millennium Two but it has a copper boiler, so go figure.

Every version II has the stainless steel
no copper boiler whatsoever called II

it sounds like the best way to tell is to look at the boiler----copper is mod 1, SS is mod. 2. i ended up passing on the sale because i figured if i were getting an upgrade, i'd at the very least like a brew pressure gauge (in addition to the boiler pressure gauge), the SS boiler and e61 group would have been icing on the cake.

I'm sure you're right Stefano, it's just a matter of the way the machines are represented.

For example, when I bought my used Millennium, the owner (who was a machine dealer) was quick to assure me that it was a "two"
The machine dated from 2002 or so and had a copper boiler, so of course it was not, but I still heard the story...

itsallaroundyou, I appreciate why you looked at a used Millennium, they are beautiful machines.

There are enough older Millenniums, Teas, and Rituales around that they come up for sale on the used market regularly. Thanks to the huge database of info on HB and CG about these machines, and helpful guys like Stefano around, these machines can be a great way for a handy newbie to get into the higher end of coffee machines without spending the big money.