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Help w/ Giotto..Heard a 'Pop' then fireworks smell

Postby adimperial on Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:35 pm

I did a full descale on my Giotto Classic. I overfilled the boiler, let it sit for about 8 hours, drained it, refilled w/ fresh water, drained it.. Then ran about 2 tanks full of water through the hx and boiler. As I was nearing the bottom of the 2nd tank thinking I was almost finished.... I hear a 'POP' (like the sound you can make your lips make by putting your lips in your mouth).. Then immediately I smell something burning (smells like fireworks).. I immediately turned it off and unplugged.. I figured I would easily be able to tell where the burning was coming from since I had both side panels off, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

Can someone please help? Has anyone had this problem before? Is it the pressurestat?

I don't know if this matters, but it happened right after I drained about 8 oz of water through the hot water arm, while the pump was running to refill the boiler.

I appreciate any input.
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Postby another_jim on Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:30 am

Not good, sounds like a hard short circuit and burn out.

Unplug it and check ohms on the heater. If that is good (around 10 to 15 ohms), check if there's a thermal link that blew. If the pump cannot keep up with the water emptying from the tap, this could happen due to exposing the heating element.
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Postby adimperial on Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:48 am

Thanks Jim, I guess if I have no idea how to check the ohms on the heater, I should probably take it in somewhere to have it checked, right? Or is it a simple procedure? What part do you think burned/shorted out? thx
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Postby another_jim on Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:57 am

You need a multimeter which measures resistance. Disconnect the wires from the heater, set the meter to 200 ohms, and put a probe on each heater terminal. If it reads 10 to 15 ohms, you are good. if you see "open" or some such, it's fried. Alternatively, many machines have a small component called a thermal fuse or link snuggled against the boiler. If that overheats, it pops and shuts the machine down as a safety measure. A Giotto owner will need to give you the details if there is one.
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Postby adimperial on Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:04 am

Thanks Jim. Regarding that thermal fuse connected to the boiler, does it have 2 wires connected to it with a red dot/button in between? That seems to be the area where the smell is coming from, but not certain.
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Postby another_jim on Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:36 am

Yep, that's what they usually look like; but I hope somebody who knows the machine can chime in. If it's blown, it will show an open circuit like I described for the heater.
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Postby adimperial on Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:46 am

The red button didn't pop out. Actually the machine still seemed to be working (finished refilling boiler) after the pop and burning smell. So if the problem is what you think it is, what type of repair bills am I looking at? Thanks so much for your help.
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Postby another_jim on Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:46 am

I have no idea. If the heater circuit is out, the machine will fill, but it won't heat up. A new heater will be around $150, a thermal link a few dollars. If the machine runs normally, then I have no clue what happened or why you posted.
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Postby adimperial on Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:22 am

I didn't mean it was really working...not sure.. but the power light was still on after the pop and smell.. But I turned it off/unplugged it immediately to prevent further possible damage.
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Postby boyscout on Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:04 pm

A.D., with Jim staying up until the wee hours of the morning to help you, the least you could have done is stay up with him! :D

I don't know nearly as much about espresso machines as Jim does, but I do know a bit about electronics and the loud pop you heard suggests that the failed device is something with sufficient mass to make a loud pop when it shorts. The heating element is the #1 guess, and Jim has already told you how to check that.

You can buy for as little as $10-$15 a digital multimeter, or borrow one from a neighbour. One of its functions will be for testing resistance, and will be indicated on the function selector switch with the sign for "ohm"... it's kind of an arch with feet... look it up on the internet.

UNPLUG YOUR MACHINE BEFORE TESTING

With the meter turned on, if you touch the two probes together, the meter will show 0 ohms (a "short", no resistance). If you then do what Jim suggested - remove the wires going to your boiler's heater, and hold a probe against each of the two connectors on the boiler (doesn't matter which is which) then the meter will give you a basic report on it's health. 1. If it shows some resistance - Jim says it should show about 10-15 ohms - then it's probably OK, you have to look elsewhere. 2. If it shows 0 ohms, just like when you held the two probes together, then the element is shorted out and you've found at least part of your problem. 3. If it shows the same as it does when the probes aren't contacting anything, then it has infinite resistance and has blown itself apart. Based on your "pop" description, the bets would be on #3.

If the element tests OK, then check the thermal fuse the same way, making sure to remove the wires first. This time, you WANT to see #2, 0 ohms, a short, showing that electricity can pass right through it.

You can work through parts of your machine like this, checking the path for the electrical energy all the way from the plug, and possibly find what's wrong yourself. Then, if you don't want to make the repair yourself, you'll at least have a leg up when you take it to the repair place.

Good luck.
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