Grouphead thermometer on Izzo Alex Duetto iii
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Hi everyone I'm new to this forum and appreciate the wealth of info so much. I'm curious regarding your thoughts of putting a grouphead thermometer on a duetto iii. I know there is a temp differential etc., but the nagging thought in the back of my mind is "How accurate is it really?" So, do you all think it is a good idea or overkill, seeing that it isn't a hx machine.
Best regards,
Mike
Best regards,
Mike
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There are other reasons for a thermometer, e.g. Reduced grouphead temperature after descale
A lot depends upon your ability to discern the difference between a 202 F shot and a 198 F shot (as an example), excluding other factors which contribute to the taste of the drink.
A lot depends upon your ability to discern the difference between a 202 F shot and a 198 F shot (as an example), excluding other factors which contribute to the taste of the drink.
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To clarify, the Duetto's brew temperature is quite precise, i.e., it reproduces the same temperature each time. Whether it is accurate, i.e., does it produce the displayed brew temperature at the grouphead depends on how accurately the PID's offset matches reality. This distinction is shown below:mgthompson wrote:... the nagging thought in the back of my mind is "How accurate is it really?"
High precision, low accuracy
Long answer: Accuracy is important if you wish to compare results with another person who has provided the target brew temperature. Precision, in my opinion, is far far more important. Once I've established a starting temperature what works for a given coffee, the digital display could say "X" and "X+1" for all I care, as long as the "+1" really means it increased by 1 every time. In my research for the Izzo Alex Duetto V3 Review, the Duetto was quite precise. The accuracy of the displayed temperature compared to the readout from a Scace thermofilter was acceptable, i.e., the digital readout from the onboard PID and the measured temperature at the grouphead tracked closely. IIRC, they diverged slightly at the higher end of the settings. That is, the onboard readout would match the grouphead readout exactly at 200F, but when setting the PID to 203F, the grouphead reading was slightly lower. I didn't really quantify this minor divergence since it was consistently repeatable at a given setting.
Short answer: If you really want a good idea of the delivered brew temperature, a grouphead thermometer is a lot cheaper than a Scace thermofilter. I don't think you need a grouphead thermometer for tweaking the brew temperature on a Duetto since the digital readout is nicely repeatable. Thus, in my opinion, it boils down to a wants vs. needs decision.
Dan Kehn
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Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate your insight.
Best regards,
Mike.
Best regards,
Mike.
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I use a polystyrene cup and my digital milk probe to calibrate the PID reading against real temp.
It isn't highly accurate but I'm confident the PID reading is now true to within 1-2 deg C.
Knowing that I'm ball park, I just then taste test and adjust.
Works for me in lieu of way overpriced group head thermometer.
It isn't highly accurate but I'm confident the PID reading is now true to within 1-2 deg C.
Knowing that I'm ball park, I just then taste test and adjust.
Works for me in lieu of way overpriced group head thermometer.