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Excess Boiler Pressure in Elektra Semiautomatica - Page 4

Postby howard seth on Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:59 pm

Address7 - Interesting post. My Jaeger replacement pstat has been working fine now 7 months - I sure hope it oulasts the Mater pstats. (I replaced 2 of those already in just over 2 years.)

I only use distilled water in the boiler - interesting that you had not much scale build-up while not using distilled water. I have great steam with the distilled water - so, I am not going to risk changing it. I do use Brita filter water in the main tank, though.

Would I buy the Semi again knowing the pstat problems? well, I don't know.... it has gotten a lot more expensive since I bought my demo model - and at the current price there are other intriguing choices. However, that being said I like the machine and I am glad to own it.

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Postby another_jim on Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:22 pm

I have a Jaeger replacement as well, and it's worked about 8 months now. The Mater on my second machine has had on and off use for about 3 months, and is still working.

The facts so far:

1) Both Mater and Ceme pstats have failed, up to now, no Jaeger has, but none have been installed for more than a year.
2) There's no sign of scale on many of the failed stats, so lime scale is not the culprit
3) Some people have had machines for many years with no premature failures (if a stat fails after 5 years, it isn't premature, but ordinary wear and tear)

Just guessing here, but I still think the problem is debris left from the construction of the machine finding its way into the pstat which is at the lowest point of the machine. If this is the case, in the affected machines, one or several pstats will fail early in the machine's career, then the problem will clear up. There was a rash of these problems, involving both Ceme and Mater pstats, around the time I posted the review. Was the culprit a new lathe at the Elektra plant?
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Postby howard seth on Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:52 am

Jim - an intriguing theory; I hope it's correct - odd as it is - a new lathe?

On another point entirely - I believe I am putting in about 10 - 10.5 grams of fresh ground coffee into my single Elektra baskets - does that coincide with other peoples usual doses for a Semi-Automatica single? (I force out about an oz or a little over an ounce of coffee in, usually, 30+/- sec. Generally, +30 sec. seems to taste better than -30 sec.

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Postby da gino on Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:16 am

Very interesting. Thanks for all the interesting posts. It sounds like this is a factor, but not a reason not to buy the machine. I can't believe how much you can learn on HB that you just couldn't have learned 10-15 years ago!
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Postby another_jim on Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:08 pm

howard seth wrote:I believe I am putting in about 10 - 10.5 grams of fresh ground coffee into my single Elektra baskets - does that coincide with other peoples usual doses for a Semi-Automatica single?


This is how much I dose, it seems to leave the right amount of head space. I tried 7 to 8 grams, but it didn't seem to work as well. However, I'm not very practiced in singles, since my usual drink is a 14 to 15 gram double.
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Postby IslandAddict on Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:43 am

I'm another happy Jaeger customer at 8 trouble-free months so far. Overall I'm still very happy with the Semi and have no regrets about buying it. I have ongoing upgraditis with every other aspect of my coffee obsession -- brewers, roasters, grinders, etc. -- but not the espresso machine.

One question: The Jaeger does seem to have a somewhat wide deadband. Mine is set so the gauge tops out in the low part of the green zone, just over 1.1 bars. Is this what other people are doing? The pressure goes down to around .8 to .9 before the heater comes back on. Should I worry about getting the pressure back up before pulling a shot?
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Postby stefano65 on Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:54 am

One suggestion
regarding this issue
every time somebody is into some "extra" deep maintenance on your leva or semiauto ( a part for the recommended descaling of course)
let the machine cool down
remove the pstat over a sink, let water come out from it then blow some air in the tube
since the tube inside the boiler is much higher from the heating element base the "deposit" will go to the bottom of the boiler and out from the pressurestat pipe; clean the pstat as well with some air and re assemble
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Postby another_jim on Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:36 pm

Never thought of that, that'll work.
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Postby howard seth on Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:04 pm

IslandAddict - I set my deadband level, on my Jaeger pstat, a little higher than you do. Mine is set to top out between 1.3-1.4

I don't know if that's "correct" - it is a matter of taste - the shots taste fine. (My espresso beans are generally Sweet Maria's blends - home roasted with a Behmor.)

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