Do I need a water softener in Salem, Oregon? - Page 2

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stefano65
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Postby stefano65 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:39 pm

As I repeat myself
and for the records
I'm not a chemist and I do not pretend to be one ( like people that write water reports as we already discuses in the past about the SCAA claims)

and I don't have any monetary gain in this transaction since you are not buying the equipment from us,
so I purely giving a suggestion or my opinion,

I can tell you for my repair expertise after 11 years of working on machines
and what my eyes see,

scale inside boiler from machine coming from Salem is a factor,
calcium after all is one of the main bad one
but
as mention above ether spend money in preventing with a softener or do a descaling schedule
but again this is just my point of view
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Postby Soniclife » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:10 pm

RecontraBacan wrote:Yeah, there's never any scale build-up on any of the pots, dog bowls, etc
To use this approach to diagnose you really need something like a kettle, something which brings water to the boil and is not cleaned daily. I live in a very hard water area and there is no scale build up on cookware, the electric kettle is another story though.

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Postby Soniclife » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:13 pm

stefano65 wrote:I can tell you for my repair expertise after 11 years of working on machines
and what my eyes see, scale inside boiler from machine coming from Salem is a factor,
Is it possible these machines have been used elsewhere in their life, or on mineral water because the normal water is to soft?

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Postby normriff » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:13 am

Worst water I've ever seen was in the San Francisco bay area. Scale build up 2-3 inches thick often in machines I overhauled. never seen anything close to that bad here in Portland OR or out of Salem.
However there is city water and well water. City water is pretty good, well water not so much. Even Portland sometimes switches to well water during times of drought.
A three way filter, sediment, taste (carbon) and limescale inhibitor (phosphate) are common and good insurance. Don't forget to change them when due. In bad water areas, a high quality resin filter is both recyclable and durable.
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Postby genovese » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:30 am

Though it may be moot for the OP, doubt and speculation about one's water hardness is easily resolved with a simple home test that you can run (dozens of times), for $10 or so. It's the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Aquarian Freshwater GH & KH Test Kit, containing a pair of titrations that will give you your general hardness and carbonate hardness, with an accuracy of +/- 1 grain, which is much higher resolution than a paper strip, and easily precise enough for our purpose.

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Postby H20Pro » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:28 pm

I am a water quality professional in Salem/Portland area with a thorough knowledge of the Salem Water Supply. You DON'T need a softener on Salem City Water, it is very high quality. (Keizer is another story) Regardless, it still has contaminants and there are two ways of treating. One, is to use a carbon filter to take out the Chlorine/Lead. This is the cheapest way, but you must maintain the filter. The maintenance depends on your water volume usage and size of carbon unit.
Second, is Reverse Osmosis (removes 100% of contaminants) which is what I use to filter my city water (Silverton). My unit (Kinetico K5) then re-mineralizes the water. The end calcium result is 34.2 PPM or 2 gpg. I agree with the other posts that discourage water without mineral. The organics of the coffee bond well with mineral. Salem city water is about 50ppm average, which is perfect. With a re-mineralizing water system you should be at about 100ppm. What works best for you depends on your palette.

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Postby DrewSale » Sat May 05, 2012 7:28 pm

For what it is worth I have never had any noticeable scale issues with Salem City water. I would agree with others that perhaps the units serviced from the Salem area showing scale buildup are from folks on well water.