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What is happening to the coffee after roasting?

Postby farmroast on Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:54 pm

I need to get a better handle on this as it's so often asked. What is happening to the beans and how the taste changes. From the bits and pieces I've gathered, at the start co2 is being strongly released and the rate of it rapidly decreases after a couple days(varies). Oxygen replaces the co2. The oxygen starts a process of staling. H2O retained in the bean starts to affect the bean in negative ways. The oils migrate towards the surface(varies) and will become rancid. The flavor gets better after some time(varies) and then gets worse.
The only reason I've heard of why the roast doesn't taste best right out of the roaster is the excess of co2 which I assume when mixed with water and saliva create carbonic acid(?) that adds a bitter/sour(?) taste. So does this just temporally masked the desired flavors? Do flavors really develop (term often used)? If so, how?
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Postby another_jim on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:00 am

farmroast wrote:.... The only reason I've heard of why the roast doesn't taste best right out of the roaster is the excess of co2 ... Do flavors really develop (term often used)? If so, how?


Grinding the coffee a half hour to an hour early is the way the CO2 problem is handled when cupping coffee out of the roaster. The finer grind of espresso means one can do the same with less of a rest.

I'm also at a loss on how further aging can improve the taste. Here's a just-so story: If the tedious coffee health pseudo-research is right, it has anti-oxidants, just like wine. These will oxidize first; otherwise they aren't anti-oxidants. The ones in wine are tannins, and mostly taste bad. So if they also taste bad in coffee, aging the roast until they are gone may improve the taste.
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Postby farmroast on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:52 pm

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Yes tannins make sense and are interestingly in many of the descriptors we use, grapes/wine, nuts, tea, citrus/fruit peels/skins(?), chocolate, blueberries, etc
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Postby noah on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:44 pm

Do we really not know whether or not roasted coffee has tannins? How can this be? Is coffee research really that lacking, or is just unpublished?

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Postby farmroast on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:02 pm

A tannin content in coffee green and roasted reference, "The green beans contained 6.6 ± 0.6 mg g-1 weight tannic acid equivalents as found by protein precipitation (n = 5, ± SD) or 6.8 ± 2.3 mg g-1 by spectrophotometry. The same figures for roasted beans were 18 ± 1.7 and 17 ± 2.7 mg g-1, respectively."
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Postby itsallaroundyou on Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:58 pm

the celulose in the coffee might continue to degrade (or just reorganize chemically) such that different sugars are formed over time, since cellulose is just lots of monosaccharides strung together. its well known that roasting starts this process, but the presence of H20 and CO2 post roast might be enough of a catalyst to keep these changes happening over the following days.

similarly, and correct me if i'm wrong, i thought that part of the aging and "mellowing" of wine flavor was due to mono, di and tri-saccharides joining to form longer-chain polysacharrides--perhaps the same is happening in freshly roasted coffee?
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Postby another_jim on Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:57 pm

Termites, or the bacteria in their gut, have the monopoly on converting cellulose to sugar. I don't think it happens with aging, otherwise the whole green/renewable energy thing would be a piece of cake. In instant coffee manufacture, a part of the cellulose is hydrolyzed into something soluble, but it isn't sugar.
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Postby chang00 on Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:31 am

This article may not answer exactly what happens to the bean after roasting, but it does shed some light on what is released with grinding:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf020724p
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Postby itsallaroundyou on Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:12 pm

my original thought was that the heat from roasting would be enough to break the cellulose down, but i did some more reading and the heat required to break the glycosidic linkage is a lot higher than roasting temps. the other methods (chemical) i've read about require both heat and strong aqueous acids.

From what i've read it sounds like the opposite is more likely--sugar monomers and dimers are forming polymers, since that reaction is more strongly favored.
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