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Redbird vs Black Cat vs Hairbender

Postby Tomesd on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:25 am

I received five pounds of redbird 3 weeks ago as my very first home espresso experience. It took a little while to pull great shots, no fault to my equipment or to the coffee but to my extreme inexperience with this entire culture (6 months ago I was drinking tasters choice every morning!). I have climbed up the learning curve a little since and have the basics down I think thanks to this forum to a great extent.

I have found Redbird to be absolutely delicious and forgiving. After 5 pounds I am no where sick of it but I wanted to move on to some other respected roasters and received beans from both Stumptown and Intelligentsia. I spent hours adjusting grind settings, doses, temps, etc on both and never could come close to the depth of flavors I have enjoyed with Redbird. I got some fantastic tangerine-ish flavors from the Hairbender but lose them in milk. Black Cat was elusive- nothing great but nothing too bad either.

I just received my Pro-M yesterday and loaded it with the last pound of my 3 week old redbird and was immediately pulling wonderful shots with nuts, chocolate, etc. I won't give up on these two- maybe they need another day or so of rest and I need another day or so of skill building but Redbird has been special. So special that I have 5 more pounds on the way!
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Postby TrlstanC on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:38 am

Another blend I would recomend that is both very good and very forgiving is Ambrosia from Caffe Fresco. It's similar to Red Bird in that it's a high quality blend that can be pulled well at a wide range of doses and temps. The flavors might be slightly more complex, with a little bit more acidity than Red Bird, but still falling squarely in the chocolate 'comfort food' range of blends.
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Postby jammin on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:52 am

Ha - beginners starting with the legendary Redbird Espresso and moving on to other quality roasters such as Intelli and Stumptown. Fantastic!

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Postby tekomino on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:05 am

Welcome to our little asylum :wink: ! Try Vivace Dolce, Counter Culture Toscano and Aficionado, Klatch House and FTO espresso, Ecco espresso... Here is list to work through: List of our favorite Roasters
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Postby joatmon on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:31 am

Derek,

I've ordered 5 pounds of Red Bird a few times as well. Good stuff. I rotate with 5 pound packages of Red Bird, RedLine from Metropolis, and Toscano from Counter Culture. For a single origin, I'd recommend Finca El Puente, AKA "purple princess". I am just starting on a 5 pound bag and it's great. It won't cut through a large milk drink, but for straight, Americano or small cappa, it is great.

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Postby Tomesd on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:54 am

Thanks for the replies- I'll give all of them a go at some point. If you all remember being on that slope of the learning curve when you burn thru 5 shots just to get the grind right, it's easy to see I'll be moving thru the roasts quickly. It's getting easier though- the worst shot I pull is still better than any place here in mid-MO. I'm isolated here when it comes to really good espresso.
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Postby jonny on Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:26 pm

Look through the Favorite Espresso Blends of 2010 to find some pointers for dose, temp, and flow for Hairbender and Black Cat. I have never pulled Black Cat myself, but for hairbender I know it really comes to life around day 6 or 7 to 10 with the apricot and jasmine stumptown describes and becomes increasingly more sumatra laden (not my cup o' tea ..errr... coffee) after two weeks plus. Because I like the hairbender in this small window of time, I freeze small quantities (about 5 shots worth) in small mason jars to hold it at that age. I think it is a great and versatile coffee but just takes a bit of time to get to know. Not as friendly and ready to play as some of the other kids :wink:
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Postby Tomesd on Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:30 pm

I revisited the Hairbender this afternoon and I take it all back. I just pulled three great shots- citrus, fruity and tangy alone and with sugar, chocolate with a touch of half n half. 20g, 25 sec, 198 deg, 60ml. Just as tasty as the Redbird, just different.
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Postby malachi on Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:36 pm

jonny wrote:Look through the Favorite Espresso Blends of 2010 to find some pointers for dose, temp, and flow for Hairbender and Black Cat. I have never pulled Black Cat myself, but for hairbender I know it really comes to life around day 6 or 7 to 10 with the apricot and jasmine stumptown describes and becomes increasingly more sumatra laden (not my cup o' tea ..errr... coffee) after two weeks plus. Because I like the hairbender in this small window of time, I freeze small quantities (about 5 shots worth) in small mason jars to hold it at that age. I think it is a great and versatile coffee but just takes a bit of time to get to know. Not as friendly and ready to play as some of the other kids :wink:


Not Sumatra heavy anymore.
Blend has changed.
Six days, 198.5f, 19-20g in a 17 or 18g basket, 8.5BAR, slightly restricted flow and volume and ratio, 28s
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Postby jonny on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:28 am

malachi wrote:Not Sumatra heavy anymore.
Blend has changed.
Six days, 198.5f, 19-20g in a 17 or 18g basket, 8.5BAR, slightly restricted flow and volume and ratio, 28s

really? how long ago was that? I had some last month that was roasted early may that I was certainly still getting the sumatra-ness. Maybe I'm confusing the flavor with a different origin?
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