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Postby IMAWriter on Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:36 pm

Pulled several shots this morning.
Let me preface by saying that my grind from my KYM manual grinder results in a bit "brighter" taste profile than did my Mazzer SJ.
Also, I will be receiving, from the folks at Orphan Espresso, a BP tester/filler cap device that will help me perfectly calibrate my Olympia Cremina. I believe I'm pretty close, as I see the "dark ring' by the 3rd shot, if I don't perform my group head cooling ritual.
That said, I attempted to remain in Paradise's recommended parameters. Shorter shots, more coffee. I do like shorter shots (.75 to 1oz), but I usually get that by grinding finer, not over-stuffing my little 49mm basket.
I first heated the machine, bled false pressure, and pulled 4 or 5 heating flushes, waiting for it to recycle 2 times, then ground the coffee. Interestingly, the grind appeared "dryer" than my normal home roasted, and other professional blends I've ordered. I used 15 grams by weight, all of which exited the grinder, loaded the basket, waited for the light to go out, and started the pull after a few seconds.
Including slow upstroke, the entire shot took 31 seconds. Resulting shots averaged 32 seconds.
I tossed the first shot as it was astringent, though it looked good.
The 2nd and 3rd shot both poured as the first...drippy, and what appeared to be nice and syrupy.
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Again, I preface by saying, IMO 4 days rest is not nearly long enough for this light a roast, if my experience with light roasted Sumatra and Sidamos is any indication.(not saying that's what's in this blend)
My taste buds are really sensitive to citrus, and that's what I got...a LOT of lemon-ish high notes.
I partially attribute that to my KYM. Very little bass notes, and a sweet, not unpleasant tobacco.
No berry as yet. For all the talk of Ethiopian content, my impression was of a LOT of a Central element, or Yerg. Interestingly, the aftertaste is quite pleasant. A Trace of tobacco and citrus. The tobacco is NOT the same as the sort of thing you get from a burnt, over-extracted shot.
So far, I'd have to say MVP is not to my taste. I say, SO FAR, as, possibly like Cafe Fresco's fine "Ambrosia" blend, 7-8 days post roast is where the sweet spot seems to be.
Finally, the body (mouth feel) still seems lacking, though the pour appearedto be pretty goopy.

After I receive my calibration tool, I'll try again. By then, this blend will be 9 days old, and hopefully ready to rock!!


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Postby cannonfodder on Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:02 pm

Guess I should preface this with the roast date. My bag was roasted the 9th so it is 4 days post roast, lots of lemon/grapefruit and soda, my temperature was still a little low. It is still degassing and developing but tomorrow is another day. What mysteries will be revealed tomorrow? Only the Shadow knows.....
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Postby Chert on Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:05 pm

DAY 5. I like the grind dose tamp ratio I've found. The shot remains incredibly bright and bubbles extrude from the naked PF. I guess still too young and gassy. Why would this blend need to rest longer than other fresh roasts I've used?
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Postby IMAWriter on Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:26 pm

Chert wrote:DAY 5. I like the grind dose tamp ratio I've found. The shot remains incredibly bright and bubbles extrude from the naked PF. I guess still too young and gassy. Why would this blend need to rest longer than other fresh roasts I've used?

At least for me, these lighter roasts take longer to mature.
FWIW, many Professional roasters recommend at least 5-6 days rest post roast date, some as much as 8 days!
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Postby ameza on Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:21 pm

As I mentioned in a previous thread, I suggest 7-10 days old for this espresso. Needs a bit more time for this roast :-D
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Postby Beezer on Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:46 pm

My two bags arrived on Thursday. Roast date was February 9th. I put one bag in the freezer and left the other out to rest. I waited until yesterday to open the first bag. My impressions:

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The shots are light in body, almost watery. The flavor is sweet with maybe a bit of dark cherry and sweet tobacco. I agree that there also seems a bit of sour citrus too. Very little chocolate so far. There are still some bubbles, but it doesn't seem too gassy to me. Works better as a straight shot than as a cappuccino. The milk seems to drown out most of the flavor. I'm hoping it improves as it matures.
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Postby IMAWriter on Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:25 pm

ameza wrote:As I mentioned in a previous thread, I suggest 7-10 days old for this espresso. Needs a bit more time for this roast :-D

Forgot your mention, :oops:
But you're right about the 7 days. Every bit of seven days.
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Postby cannonfodder on Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:02 am

Yup. I did not read that, or don't remember reading it but based on the development over the past few days I would agree completely. Day 5 the lemon/grapefruit started to diminish, day 6 I got what I would call my first drinkable shots. I am getting more citrus as in mandarin orange. No chocolate but deep tone usually develops later in the rest. I did pull a couple of cappas and the chocolate make itself known there. My 9 year old son wanted one Saturday, he liked it. Based on the progression of this pound, I would say day 7 is the start of the drinkable phase. I would actually guess around 9 days for the prime flavor window. Now lets see if I can put my money where my mouth is, or if I am just sucking roaster exhaust.
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Postby networkcrasher on Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:59 am

I pulled a double at 201 this past Saturday (5 days PR) and saw the following:
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The aroma of the grind alone was sweet and floral. First shot was a bit over extracted and went into the sink. Tightened up a bit and was able to get about 1.5oz in 31s. Very sweet, citrus notes - lemon, great floral aroma - just as it smelled before brewed. No chocolate at all. Was almost like drinking hot lemon tea, but with some punch. Decided to put it out to rest and will pull some more tomorrow. Was too rushed to pull any shots this morning.

Also plan on upping the temp to 202 as suggested. Just remembered this today when I looked at the label.
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Postby IMAWriter on Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:43 pm

cannonfodder wrote:Yup. I did not read that, or don't remember reading it but based on the development over the past few days I would agree completely. Day 5 the lemon/grapefruit started to diminish, day 6 I got what I would call my first drinkable shots. I am getting more citrus as in mandarin orange. No chocolate but deep tone usually develops later in the rest. I did pull a couple of cappas and the chocolate make itself known there. My 9 year old son wanted one Saturday, he liked it. Based on the progression of this pound, I would say day 7 is the start of the drinkable phase. I would actually guess around 9 days for the prime flavor window. Now lets see if I can put my money where my mouth is, or if I am just sucking roaster exhaust.

Well, It's nice to know that my not quite octogenarian taste buds are still functioning in a somewhat proper manner.
This is nearly exactly as I would describe my efforts with 6 day old MVP. First shot is always a sink shot, as my Cremina, even with several flushes, a 5 minute wait, and another flush is still not quite up to temperature for this blend.
My citrus was similar as you described, bordering on a Surinam (sp?) cherry (a Florida thing, though maybe elsewhere, not sure)
No chocolate whatsoever as a straight shot, which is OK by me.
A 5 oz, including milk cappa had a light cocoa, not bittersweet, but milky, and the cherry-ish thing appeared a bit more, with the citrus a bit more subdued.
I'm anxious to try again today. I forgot there will be no mail today, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow for my Olympia Cremina pressure calibration device from Orphan Espresso.
This blend appears to be temperature specific, which makes for more "1st shot of the day" sink shots with a manual lever, as the Cremina's 1st shot is normally a few degree's cooler. Just is, till it gets nice and hot all the way through
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